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All the proof necessary that you support increased gun control. Johnson-Weld is the only ticket in November to fully support gun rights.

It sounds to me that border walls are more important to you than gun rights.
Quite to the contrary I believe that they are equally important. Illegals, given a "pathway", will most assuredly vote dimocrat mostly so as to retain all the free handouts dimocrats give them now and will give the in greater abundance in the future.

Doesn't Weld support a semi automatic rifle ban? Didn't he do that in his official capacity as Gubenor?

Gun control and masses supporting big government. A socialists dream. That's what Weld wants.
 

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Quite to the contrary I believe that they are equally important. Illegals, given a "pathway", will most assuredly vote dimocrat mostly so as to retain all the free handouts dimocrats give them now and will give the in greater abundance in the future.

Doesn't Weld support a semi automatic rifle ban? Didn't he do that in his official capacity as Gubenor?

Gun control and masses supporting big government. A socialists dream. That's what Weld wants.
You come onto a gun rights forum, supporting a gun control candidate, and then claim that there is some equivalency between your candidate for president with a vice presidential pick from the only party that fully supports gun rights.

Second, they are not equally important. Gun rights are in the constitution, a right that makes all others possible. Border walls and protecting your job from people that can't speak the language is not a constitutional right.

You should really stop trolling a gun rights forum to forward your xenophobic agenda on illegal immigration while supporting gun control. I am sure there are plenty of forums that have like minded people
 

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You come onto a gun rights forum, supporting a gun control candidate, and then claim that there is some equivalency between your candidate for president with a vice presidential pick from the only party that fully supports gun rights.

Second, they are not equally important. Gun rights are in the constitution, a right that makes all others possible. Border walls and protecting your job from people that can't speak the language is not a constitutional right.

You should really stop trolling a gun rights forum to forward your xenophobic agenda on illegal immigration while supporting gun control. I am sure there are plenty of forums that have like minded people
Yessir. They are equally important to me. There is no xenophobic agendas here. I am not scared of anyone except maybe my wife and daughter. Those two scare the hell out of me!

Does Weld support gun control? I take from your ramblings that your answer would be unequivocally "yes".

The way you cherry pick things to respond to is laughable. You really should try out for a job as a taxpayer funded teacher...oh wait you are already among that group aren't you?
 

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Yessir. They are equally important to me. There is no xenophobic agendas here. I am not scared of anyone except maybe my wife and daughter. Those two scare the hell out of me!

Does Weld support gun control? I take from your ramblings that your answer would be unequivocally "yes".

The way you cherry pick things to respond to is laughable. You really should try out for a job as a taxpayer funded teacher...oh wait you are already among that group aren't you?
Can't really take a troll that seriously that comes onto a gun rights forum claiming that gun rights and illegal immigration are equally important, then supports a gun control candidate.
 

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Can't really take a troll that seriously that comes onto a gun rights forum claiming that gun rights and illegal immigration are equally important, then supports a gun control candidate.
Again sir, I do not support Gary Johnson's hand picked candidate for President. Weld supported a gun ban and I do not support him. Are you listening?
 

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Again sir, I do not support Gary Johnson's hand picked candidate for President. Weld supported a gun ban and I do not support him. Are you listening?
Yet you support a candidate who is on the record for supporting various forms of gun control?

It appears that you seeing illegal immigration and gun rights as equally important is a blatant lie, otherwise you would have the same disdain for Trump.

Anyone who refuses to support Johnson is okay with a Hillary presidency, and is okay with gun control, no matter how you want to spin it.
 

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At 4:39. Weld, Johnson's pick for President of the United States of America on gun control. In his own words.
Paraphrasing here but he suggests strongly "guns are for hunting"
No. Johnson's pick for vice-president, a largely symbolic job.

Your presidential candidate supports assault weapons bans, longer waiting periods, etc.

So, would you rather have
A) the certainty of more gun control or
B) the rejection of gun control with a very slim possibility of more gun control in the future, maybe?
 

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No. Johnson's pick for vice-president, a largely symbolic job.

Your presidential candidate supports assault weapons bans, longer waiting periods, etc.

So, would you rather have
A) the certainty of more gun control or
B) the rejection of gun control with a very slim possibility of more gun control in the future, maybe?
If Johnson dies who becomes president? Do you not think that Johnson is smart enough to have given this thought? Are you really going to support someone so dimwitted?
 

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No. Johnson's pick for vice-president, a largely symbolic job.

Your presidential candidate supports assault weapons bans, longer waiting periods, etc.

So, would you rather have
A) the certainty of more gun control or
B) the rejection of gun control with a very slim possibility of more gun control in the future, maybe?
 

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No. Johnson's pick for vice-president, a largely symbolic job.

Your presidential candidate supports assault weapons bans, longer waiting periods, etc.

So, would you rather have
A) the certainty of more gun control or
B) the rejection of gun control with a very slim possibility of more gun control in the future, maybe?
This is a guy who comes onto a gun rights forum, claims that illegal immigration is just as important as gun rights, then supports a candidate that is on the record, wrote it in a book, that he supports gun control. Then he has the temerity to claim that on the off chance Johnson dies, Weld has the wrong motivation for supporting gun rights.

Can we really take this troll all that seriously?
 

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This is a guy who comes onto a gun rights forum, claims that illegal immigration is just as important as gun rights, then supports a candidate that is on the record, wrote it in a book, that he supports gun control. Then he has the temerity to claim that on the off chance Johnson dies, Weld has the wrong motivation for supporting gun rights.

Can we really take this troll all that seriously?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Mike_Pence_Gun_Control.htm
 

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Does Weld support gun control?
If you are to be fair and honest, one must use the same measuring stick for both candidates.

If what Trump has said in the past does NOT matter, then neither does what Weld said.

If you are only going by what they are saying now, then Weld and his current stance on 2A should be satisfactory for you.

I am a lifelong hunter and gun owner. In 1993, however, as Governor of Massachusetts, I went along with some modest restrictions on certain types of firearms. I was deeply concerned about gun violence, and frankly, the people I represented were demanding action. Sometimes, governing involves tough choices, and I had to make more than a few.
Today, almost 25 years later, I would make some different choices. Restricting Americans’ gun rights doesn’t make us safer, and threatens our constitutional freedoms. I was pleased by and support the Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller -- a decision that embraced the notion that our Second Amendment rights are individual rights, not to be abridged by the government.
Emphasis mine.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/21/william-weld-responds-to-libertarian-par
 

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If the polling average looks like this come Labor Day, it will be virtually impossible for anyone to beat Clinton.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...rump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-5952.html

At this point I think the GOP really need to concentrate on retaining the Senate, but if it looks like they may lose it as well, they need to hurry the hell up and confirm Marrick Garland before Hillary nominates someone far more liberal.
 

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If you are to be fair and honest, one must use the same measuring stick for both candidates.

If what Trump has said in the past does NOT matter, then neither does what Weld said.

If you are only going by what they are saying now, then Weld and his current stance on 2A should be satisfactory for you.

Emphasis mine.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/21/william-weld-responds-to-libertarian-par
This is about border walls, not gun rights for a couple of members of this forum. Weld having the wrong motivation for supporting gun rights is about all those people can attack Johnson on, at least to people who believe more in gun rights than border walls.

Otherwise, those same people would be freaking out at Chris Christie being a senior adviser to Trump.
 

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This is about border walls,
I am well aware of his position. Both stated and unstated.

He's not getting a wall even if Trump wins. But none of us will be able to help him see that now. He will just have to be disappointed in due time.
 

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If you are to be fair and honest, one must use the same measuring stick for both candidates.

If what Trump has said in the past does NOT matter, then neither does what Weld said.

If you are only going by what they are saying now, then Weld and his current stance on 2A should be satisfactory for you.

Emphasis mine.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/21/william-weld-responds-to-libertarian-par
So by that measure Donald Trump is staunchly pro 2 nd amendment no?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights
 

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I am well aware of his position. Both stated and unstated.

He's not getting a wall even if Trump wins. But none of us will be able to help him see that now. He will just have to be disappointed in due time.
Don't need no wall. Enforce laws already on the books. Cut out handouts to the illegals who get taxpayer funded assistance. Cut out all the aiding and abetting of the illegals. It is no secret that I view illegal immigration as a very big problem and that I wish to, in no way, shape, fashion or form, reward those who cared so little about the Sovereignty of these once great US of A that they came here illegally. It is a very big reason why I do not support Johnson and Weld, No secrets there.
 
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