[ICP_Juggalo]

Clinton wrote on Twitter that “The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots…Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get.â€

The former Democratic presidential nominee wrote: †Our grief isn’t enough. We can and must put politics aside, stand up to the NRA, and work together to try to stop this from happening again .â€

http://state.allongeorgia.com/clinton-tweets-ignorance-on-guns-amid-las-vegas-shooting-georgia-carry-educates/

 

[NTA]

Well it seemed to me from the start that the silencer bill had no chance and was just fuel for the NRA haters.

 

[Clark]

Could have just titled this post "Clinton." The rest is implied.

 

[UtiPossidetis]

Ryan has now tabled the silencer bill in the House..........

 

[Phil1979]

Yeah, because the health of millions of ears are nowhere near as important as political considerations. :screwy:

Speaker Ryan needs to be replaced and voted out of office.

Ryan has now tabled the silencer bill in the House..........

 

[gunsmoker]

True

Would the crowd stayed in place longer before running, and thus been exposed to the gunfire longer, if the gunman had used suppressors on his AR and AK rifles?

Probably.

Would the crowd have heard the guns’ report from 400 yards away, if the shooter used silencers, and fired from well inside his room?
No.

The victims might have heard the sonic boomsâ€" the snap like a ladyfinger firecracker going offâ€" as the bullets arrived at the concert still supersonic.
But would they recognize that as gunfire?
Would they know what direction it’s coming from?

I think Hillary Clinton’s got a legitimate point.
There “IS†additional risk in deregulating firearm silencers.
They can be used by criminals to make their crimes more effective, and to delay (or prevent) being pinpointed and confronted by cops.

P.S. I own silencers and have seen a lot of other ones used around me.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Ryan has now tabled the silencer bill in the House..........

I do not think that is an accurate statement.

 

[a_springfield]

Would the crowd stayed in place longer before running, and thus been exposed to the gunfire longer, if the gunman had used suppressors on his AR and AK rifles?

Probably.

Would the crowd have heard the guns’ report from 400 yards away, if the shooter used silencers, and fired from well inside his room?
No.

The victims might have heard the sonic boomsâ€" the snap like a ladyfinger firecracker going offâ€" as the bullets arrived at the concert still supersonic.
But would they recognize that as gunfire?
Would they know what direction it’s coming from?

I think Hillary Clinton’s got a legitimate point.
There “IS†additional risk in deregulating firearm silencers.
They can be used by criminals to make their crimes more effective, and to delay (or prevent) being pinpointed and confronted by cops.

P.S. I own silencers and have seen a lot of other ones used around me.

But just like anything else if he really wanted to use a suppressed rifle he could have made one out of a maglight. Or he could have paid the 200 and got one now. The only thing the law is currently preventing is people like me that don't want to pay the extra to buy one.

 

[moe mensale]

I do not think that is an accurate statement.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-shooting-gun-safety-bill-20171003-story.html

House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis., said there is no plan for the House to act soon on the silencer bill, which a Republican-led House committee backed last month.

The silencer bill is “not scheduled right now. I don’t know when it will be scheduled,†Ryan said.

 

[68908]

When does she not making an ass out of herself? :rotfl2:

 

[Rugerer]

Politifact rules the claim false.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-silencers-wouldnt-have-worsened-las-vegas-s/

 

[DKW]

Can someone please explain to me the draw of wanting to own a suppressor for a firearm that shoots supersonic ammo?

I get it for subsonic ammo because you don’t need hearing protection.

But from my understanding you still need hearing protection for supersonic ammo. If I still have to have hearing protection to fire the rifle, why do I want to spend all that money on the suppressor (assuming they come off the NFA list)? I would much rather spend that money on other guns or gun stuff.

 

[gunsmoker]

Quieter

With supersonic ammo, a suppressed centerfire rifle sounds like an unsuppressed .22 rimfire.
Used outdoors, they’re close to hearing safe.
Even though it’s a good idea to use ear protection even for .22 LR rifles too.

 

[Savannah Dan]

Unsuppressed fire is 150-160 db. That range will get you instant hearing damage. Suppressor drops it 20-30 db if I remember right, which is just below the range that will cause instant hearing loss. Also, suppressors have no effect on the crack made from the projectile breaking the sound barrier. It only suppresses the sound of the explosion.

 

[Savannah Dan]

Can someone please explain to me the draw of wanting to own a suppressor for a firearm that shoots supersonic ammo?

I get it for subsonic ammo because you don’t need hearing protection.

But from my understanding you still need hearing protection for supersonic ammo. If I still have to have hearing protection to fire the rifle, why do I want to spend all that money on the suppressor (assuming they come off the NFA list)? I would much rather spend that money on other guns or gun stuff.

The answer to your question is in this article.

Politifact rules the claim false.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-silencers-wouldnt-have-worsened-las-vegas-s/

 

[DKW]

With supersonic ammo, a suppressed centerfire rifle sounds like an unsuppressed .22 rimfire.
Used outdoors, they’re close to hearing safe.
Even though it’s a good idea to use ear protection even for .22 LR rifles too.

I know it is personal preference if you want one or not.

Here is my thought process. Close to hearing safe is not hearing safe. When I shoot .22LR I still use hearing protection because I don't want to take that chance. Therefore, (Me) buying a suppressor is a waste of my money.

Also, it is pretty much useless at any rifle range anyway if you are the only one there with suppressed firearms because if anybody else is shooting an unsuppressed firearm, I am definitely using hearing protection to protect myself from their firearms. If I had my own land where I could shoot by myself that might be a different story (especially for subsonic shooting).

To me I just can’t justify buying one even if they get off the NFA and certainly not under current law where I have to shell out another $200 plus go through all the red tape required to get one. If am going to go through the red tape to get an NFA item (that I can afford) it will be for a SBR.

To each their own right.

 

[Wegahe]

Would the crowd have heard the guns’ report from 400 yards away, if the shooter used silencers, and fired from well inside his room?
No.

However from less than 100 yards away and firing outside the window like he was the crowd would have heard it.

The victims might have heard the sonic boomsâ€" the snap like a ladyfinger firecracker going offâ€" as the bullets arrived at the concert still supersonic.
But would they recognize that as gunfire?
Would they know what direction it’s coming from?

Even without a silencer well over half the the people didn't know it was gun fire until they saw people being shot or was told it was not fireworks but gun fire. Nor could anyone tell where it was coming from.

I think Hillary Clinton’s got a legitimate point.

I don't.

There “IS†additional risk in deregulating firearm silencers.
They can be used by criminals to make their crimes more effective, and to delay (or prevent) being pinpointed and confronted by cops.

So exactly what would change if they were deregulated?


P.S. I own silencers and have seen a lot of other ones used around me.

?????????????

 

[Wegahe]

I bought the tax stamp and built a "silencer" just so having and doing it was crossed off my bucket list. I built it for a 308 rifle. It does not silence the rifle to even close to hearing safe. The 308 though much quieter still sounds more like a .22 magnum fired from a short barrel revolver. Not even close to a .22 LR which was my goal. All that aside I had fun in the build process. I have no desire to own another and outside of the test shots it has remained in the safe since. Mostly because I have been too busy to take it out. With the slowing down I am finally experiencing I hope to get with GS and try it out at least once more before destroying it as a totally useless item. Since you can't really silence a good dear hunting round they are mostly novelty and only good for small game hunting with a .22 or similar round.

 

[NTA]

Nonsense, I've actually seen them in movies.

 

[AtlPhilip]

There “IS†additional risk in deregulating firearm silencers.
They can be used by criminals to make their crimes more effective

The same can be said for firearms.