Chicago Officer Forced By Mob To Release Suspect

Discussion in 'In the News' started by Phil1979, Mar 25, 2019.

  1. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    If he refused, he was threatened to be shot.

    https://defensemaven.io/bluelivesma...se-suspect-or-be-shot-Cuboq0tFn0qc7PCb2GpVUQ/

    So, if you are the lone officer trying to arrest someone (his partner ran after another suspect), and a crowd gathers threatening that you are going to be shot unless you let him go, what do you do?

    Keep in mind, no one in the crowd displayed a firearm.

    Do you blast the person who made the threat?

    What if the suspect is positively ID'd as a mass murderer, who had made threats to continue to commit murder? Not the case here, but just adding to the intensity to see if makes a difference in what you do.

    After being threatened with being shot, I think the officer would be justified to command them all to get on their bellies with arms outstretched, and to tell them they have 3 seconds to do it or THEY will be shot. Then shoot them if they don't comply.
     
  2. gunsmoker

    gunsmoker Lawyer and Gun Activist

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    What if it's a crowd of gun rights activists saying this to a cop who's arresting Phil for carrying a protest sign of unauthorized construction (the wooden stick is too thick and could be used as a baton), after Phil mouthed-off to them along the lines if "May it Please the Crown..."

    Circumstances matter.
     

  3. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Phil would go willingly with the officer, and tell the crowd to back down. There shouldn't be any blood shed over a minor sign infraction.

    Now if my merely carrying a wooden sign carried a felony penalty with 10 years in prison, I'd want my buddies to escort me out of there. All acts of tyranny, at least really big ones, should be resisted by force, like this particular hypothetical, don't you agree?

     
  4. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    Phil is starting to posit just like gunsmoker! :bigshock: :lol:
     
  5. RedDawnTheMusical

    RedDawnTheMusical Well-Known Member

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    Interesting that the public wants a suspected criminal set free to be among them.

    I'd suggest that violence and crime could potentially be out of control there and more aggressive forms of police action may be necessary, along with community interaction between law enforcement and the public, but then again, this is Chicago so....
     
  6. mrhutch

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    Grab the closest sonabitch by the collar and put your pistol between his eyes. Tell the rest they can shoot you but you're taking homeboy with you.

    Letting the suspect walk just tells them they can do whatever they want. Next time they'll probably beat the officer without hesitation, if he's lucky.
     
  7. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    No, but they implied they had them. The point for the cop is is help coming? How long will they take? If he does open fire does he risk someone in the crowd firing back?

    Are we dealing with a malum in se or a malum prohibitum violation? Both of you alluded to tyrannical laws. Should a crowd get riled up to help an assumed suspect because he looked at an "authority figure" the wrong way? What if it's a known murderer?

    On a much larger scale, the French people and the French state are dealing with this issue with the "yellow jacket" protests. The French police are now being augmented with actual military troops. Now what?

    I didn't answer the question, did I? :mrgreen:
     
  8. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    What about the guy behind you ready to pop you in the head? What if the "sonabitch" has a weapon on him? This really isn't an easy scenario.

    The suspect did walk away. In this situation the cop felt it was prudent to back down.
     
  9. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    I would have made sure I had good DNA samples all over a uniform sleeve or chest before I let him go.

    Nemo
     
  10. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Suspected drug transaction.
     
  11. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    I was speaking in more general terms, not specifically to this incident.
     
  12. diamondback

    diamondback Well-Known Member

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    Damned if you do and damned if you dont. Liberal city with a large minority population ran by democrats. Recipe for disaster. Now there are cities ran by democrats without the minority population and cities like San Diego ran by republicans with a large minority population that do quite well. Both are a disaster combined though. I am waiting with the soft on crime, take the side of the criminal attitude of city officials in places like chicago and philadelphia, pa that they would be able to find police. If someone did threaten him and he just drew his gun he probably would be charged. After this chicago police need a HUGE show of force to remind people whose streets they are.
     
  13. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    I was always under the impression that public streets belonged to the, you know, the public.
     
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  14. Malum Prohibitum

    Malum Prohibitum Moderator Staff Member

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    Wrong! Pick up that can!
     
  15. moe mensale

    moe mensale Well-Known Member

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    And allow you to claim "furtive movement!" I don't think so. [-X
     
  16. diamondback

    diamondback Well-Known Member

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    correct, but it belongs to the ones who patrol it than the ones who destroy it.
     
  17. Nemo

    Nemo Man of Myth and Legend

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    Watch the news for the next anti-reasonable personal freedom protest march.

    Whose Streets?
    Our Streets!

    Frequently used by MoveOn. org, Antifa and similar left leaning political organizations.

    Nemo
     
  18. diamondback

    diamondback Well-Known Member

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    True. I first heard of it in a good way when the police started shouting it back. I thiink it was in chicago.