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https://www.ammoland.com/2017/07/ch...est-threat-to-gun-owner-rights/#axzz4nHb8dBMy

“Demographic change is slowly, but inevitably, moving Western states to the left.â€

Inevitably.

“And it could also spread to states with metropolitan areas experiencing significant Hispanic population growth such as Texas, Georgia, North Carolina and Florida.â€

That’s a drum far too few gun owner rights advocates have been . . .
 

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Stopping illegal immigration and encouraging assimilation as we did just a few decades ago would help a lot.
 

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I just got back from Arizona. The population there is at least half Latino, but they are a very pro gun state. Flagstaff was full of anti gun Whites while Phoenix was full of pro gun Latinos.
 

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I also know a bunch of pro-gun Hispanics.
They're not all socialists.
At least not on 2A issues.
 

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Boohoo. I guess Whites need to get to f-ing and have lots of children if they don't like the demographic trajectory. Simple as that really.... I bet she is approaching 30 but has zero children.

 

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How is that going to help?

You are subject to everything atlsrt44 is, whether you support it or not.
your consent is what gives them their capability. why would you make the excuse that one person withdrawing that consent doesn't amount to much? are you now going to follow your thought through to conclusion to try and convince me that might is what makes right?
 

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your consent is what gives them their capability. why would you make the excuse that one person withdrawing that consent doesn't amount to much? are you now going to follow your thought through to conclusion to try and convince me that might is what makes right?
Interesting dodge, then posing an irrelevant, argumentative question with a flawed premise.

Typical.

I'll answer for you - your disengagement has done nothing to make you more at liberty and in fact harms the cause of liberty.

The more liberty minded folks who "drop out," as you have done, simply leaves power in the hands of those who are inclined against liberty and with a desire to control others.

Might may not make right, as an ethical argument, but it sure makes for you toeing the line, phaed, as you have conceded many times in the past.

You are not helping matters by dropping out and pretending the might does not exist online while acknowledging its reality in your everyday life.

The thread is about changing demographics and what poll numbers show about their views on the second amendment. Every voter who favors liberty but drops out simply skews those polls, and, ultimately the laws, further and further toward violations of rights.
 

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MP, you probably do not, and because of your bias probably never will understand that laws can only serve to limit freedom...not enable it. you can try to blame me all ya like for infringing on an individual's freedom, but that's the real dodge. you will never be able to point to an action of mine that hinders someone's choice of action unless it's in defense of force...that's your government's purview.

your (and atlsrt44's) collectivist philosophy is the root threat, that's why changing it is the only thing that can correct the problem. the 2 concepts cannot coexist (collectivism and individualism), as they are diametrically opposed. you're still buying into the bull**** that you can give a 3rd party power over you to protect you...and there's not a damned thing about that thought that makes sense unless you've been brainwashed to believe it.

as for changing demographics changing the zeitgeist, sure it is going to. the only thing that will correct that is giving people the freedom to discriminate...and that is exactly what your government prohibits. people should be free to adopt the new ideas from new people they choose, not forced into a melting pot they have no control over. freedom is about consent, and your system is all about removing it.

minorities (whether by race, color, sex, creed, or philosophy) have learned they can use your system to their advantage to get what they want, so they've adopted this change of demographics as a strategy. it's silly that you'd now complain about it, since it is your system that enables it. blacks in general will continue to have babies in a relatively irresponsible and uncontrolled fashion to change their numbers. muslims will continue to take over countries via immigration. **** will continue to make people bake them cakes. mentally ill people will continue to sue you if they can't use your bathroom, or force you to make one for themselves. your government is what protects and supports all of this nonsense, not me.

and, in the end, it's your collectivist philosophy that allows "for the public good", that if the right people or enough people don't want you to have a gun, they can make that happen too.
 

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MP, you probably do not, and because of your bias probably never will understand that laws can only serve to limit freedom...not enable it. you can try to blame me all ya like for infringing on an individual's freedom, but that's the real dodge. you will never be able to point to an action of mine that hinders someone's choice of action unless it's in defense of force...that's your government's purview.

your (and atlsrt44's) collectivist philosophy is the root threat, that's why changing it is the only thing that can correct the problem. the 2 concepts cannot coexist (collectivism and individualism), as they are diametrically opposed. you're still buying into the bull**** that you can give a 3rd party power over you to protect you...and there's not a damned thing about that thought that makes sense unless you've been brainwashed to believe it.

as for changing demographics changing the zeitgeist, sure it is going to. the only thing that will correct that is giving people the freedom to discriminate...and that is exactly what your government prohibits. people should be free to adopt the new ideas from new people they choose, not forced into a melting pot they have no control over. freedom is about consent, and your system is all about removing it.

minorities (whether by race, color, sex, creed, or philosophy) have learned they can use your system to their advantage to get what they want, so they've adopted this change of demographics as a strategy. it's silly that you'd now complain about it, since it is your system that enables it. blacks in general will continue to have babies in a relatively irresponsible and uncontrolled fashion to change their numbers. muslims will continue to take over countries via immigration. **** will continue to make people bake them cakes. mentally ill people will continue to sue you if they can't use your bathroom, or force you to make one for themselves. your government is what protects and supports all of this nonsense, not me.

and, in the end, it's your collectivist philosophy that allows "for the public good", that if the right people or enough people don't want you to have a gun, they can make that happen too.
Once again how did i get grouped in lol?
 

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Once again how did i get grouped in lol?
from this...

How is that going to help?

You are subject to everything atlsrt44 is, whether you support it or not.
...which came from my answering your question, the way you can prevent it is to stop supporting it.

to cut to the chase, MP is unfortunately under the mistaken impression that since he's won some battles (for gun "rights"), that the war can be won in the same manner (via laws). he does not realize that the government will make localized sacrifices in order to further their overall strategy.

in essence, the government doesn't give a damn if you can carry a handgun, if at the same time they've increased their disparity of force over you to the point of creating a domestically-focused, militarily-equipped army that can use no-knock warrants on a whim and kill people without repercussions.

because of your myopia, you don't realize that your giving the government that power is what is the threat to them taking your guns, because of demographics, or any other reason. it's your saying, "other people have the authority to dictate my behavior" that places what you perceive as your rights at risk in the first place.

in fact, every political argument on this forum can be simplified as such: you guys are happy to pay brutes to force people to do as you wish, but bitch about it when other people have those brutes force you to do as they wish. the answer to it all is to realize that the brutes are the root of the problem...whether they are called government, or by any other name.
 

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"Happy to pay brutes"? Not me. If I had my choice, I'd contribute some tax to good causes, but I live in the system that takes my tax money and a lot of it, for whatever it wants. I do not have the health, energy, or inclination to live in the woods off the grid, so what do I do - vote for change? Oh yeah, that's still in the system. Even libertarian politicians support some laws. What else, take up arms? Against who?
 

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Once again phaed manages to drag another thread off-topic.
it's only off-topic if you refuse to understand or accept what is the root cause of the problem. i can see it. you refuse to. in any case, i related each of my replies above to the original topic, you just don't like what i have to say.
 
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