thought some might be interested in the debate going on on the GON forum
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=141849
http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=141849
Where's the logic in that? How do you choose who carries and who doesn't? :?I don't want everyone carrying at church, just enough so that a bad actor always has to wonder.
:rotfl2: Classic. Another new favorite quote.blind_shake said:"Please remove you pistol from the top of your bibles and turn to Acts 3:12."
VOLGRAD said::rotfl2: Classic. Another new favorite quote.blind_shake said:"Please remove you pistol from the top of your bibles and turn to Acts 3:12."
Not every has this choice, and sometimes you gotta stand up for what is right and fight against forces that want to take over. Eventually I don't think you will be able to go even to Maybury, and not have to look over your shoulder.Maybe its just me, but if I ever feel the need to pack iron into my church, then maybe its time to find a new church. Pro'lly no secret here, but I'm a LEO.
[/quote:2lr44l9s]I'm looking at an order that was published in the August 30, 1794 Centinel of the North-West Territory (a Cincinnati, Ohio newspaper). It's an order for all members of the militia to be armed when attending church . . .:
[quote:2lr44l9s]The practice of assembling for public worship without arms may be attended with most sedlicious and melancholy consequences--it presents to an enemy of the smallest degree of enterprize to effect each fatal impression upon our infant settlements as posterity might long in vain lament.
How about, make a joyful noise. :righton:Axeman said:I wonder what would happen if the worship leader says raise your arms to God. :wink:
Some of us may get that wrong. :-k
I agree with your comment about the goblins. In fact, churches are usually good targets as their members are more likely to give a visitor/trespasser the benefit of doubt about their intentions and offer aid.shamalama said:And, for what it's worth, I'm the part-time layman Choir Director for our little congregation.
Goblins come into churches just like they prefer all other Gun Free Zones. Easier victims, hostages, and kills.
It was quite clear that the preacher was saying some of the male folk in the congregation had been CC for several weeks due to whatever this threat was. I just smiled & thought to myself "Why did you need to wait till a threat presented itself. That's silly". Then I continued to smile smugly. And re-adjust my jacket as I stood up for each song. :wink:"To show you what I mean, just a few weeks ago each of you were looked out for & most of you never knew it. We had someone that made threats against our church & some of its members. But even though you didn't know what dangerous waters you were in, you were protected. Some of your fellow brothers had stepped up & took steps to be sure we would all be safe no matter what happened"
That's too bad. One bad apple (or in this case, one group) ruins it for everyone else.VOLGRAD said:Needless to say, the church is now reconsidering future requests for use of the facilities by anyone not a member of the church.
Not my decision. I am not a member and live 250+- miles away. ...but I agree with your logic.Boy Racer said:That's too bad. One bad apple (or in this case, one group) ruins it for everyone else.VOLGRAD said:Needless to say, the church is now reconsidering future requests for use of the facilities by anyone not a member of the church.
I feel, in this instance, no longer allowing non-members use of the facility in the future is akin to banning handguns for everyone because a small population occasionally mis-uses them.
Don't judge all men by the actions of a few. I'll bet the next group of non-members who use the church behave better. Try it, see what happens.
Of course, if I'm wrong, it's more than just egg on my face I guess. But I don't think I'm wrong.
Agreed. You are punishing those without blame. Surgery via machete. A more correct solution lies in another direction entirely.Boy Racer said:I feel, in this instance, no longer allowing non-members use of the facility in the future is akin to banning handguns for everyone because a small population occasionally mis-uses them.