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Here's a better description of what Prop 63 does.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20161007/why-you-should-vote-no-on-california-s-proposition-63

Individuals require a state permit and background check to purchase ammo.

All ammo purchases must be done at a licensed ammo dealer. No online purchases unless they come through a licensed dealer.

Individuals wanting to sell more than 500 rounds in a 30 day period must become licensed ammo vendors (cost for that isn't specified).

More crap.
 

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I thought Kommifornia already limited you to 10 round pistol magazines. Are the new mag limits for rifles?
 

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Sounds to me like the Dem's in CA haven't learned anything from this past election. If Trump has his way and puts the right Justice on the SCOTUs and in some of the lower courts this could be struck down. Not soon but at some time in the future.
 

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Perhaps this action will attract more like-minded people to move to California, thereby cleansing the rest of the country form their mental illness. One can but hope.
 

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I thought Kommifornia already limited you to 10 round pistol magazines. Are the new mag limits for rifles?
CA had a blanket 10 round capacity cap with an exemption for preban magazines. This proposition removes the grandfather clause, making all "high capacity" magazines contraband.
 

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I couldn't find a thread about the lawsuit that was filed in 2016after this law passed, so I figured I would put it here. California Rifle & Pistol Association challenging California's Ammo Sales Background Check

Yesterday was a hearing: Rhode v Becerra (S.D. CA) - Hearing on CRPA's request for preliminary injunction.

Thread on Twitter -
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Update on the Rhode v Becerra hearing (S.D. CA, 2016 ammo laws): "[Judge Benitez] was asking very good questions of the state about why the second amendment right is not treated the same as the other rights by the state." (1/2)
Calguns.net thread- https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum...60273908dbbe2143da713&p=23325541#post23325541

"Short version is our side believes there are to many rejections in the system ( 10,000+) in July with only 106 of those actually being prohibited persons . Something like 18% rejections in July . So we are saying this system is over burdensome to the general public."

Here's a dooooooozy - This a hell of a position to take by the state

"Right at the beginning the state conceded if you were from out of state visiting for hunting or what ever you can just have a friend who is a CA resident buy you some ammo or you can give that friend the money to buy you ammo and that was all legal . Which the judge just shook his head in disbelief because the state just said it's OK to do straw purchases in the state of CA."
 

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18% sounds about right. More are delayed with a release without ATF follow up after 3 business days. If follow up is proceed then the customer is called then. this can happen within a few minutes of the customer leaving the store. If the follow up is denied the 4473 is marked as such and the firearm is not released. The problem is sometimes the denied follow up occurs 5 ,6 or even 10 days later. This means the firearm was released within Brady law standards to someone restricted from owning a firearm. We use gut feelings to decide wither or not to release a delayed firearm. Most of the time when the ATF calls and ask if the firearm was released we can say no. There are rare occasions when we transmit the 4473 and info to the ATF and send them after the firearm.
 

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"In an in-depth and wide-ranging interview, Michel says that during the first month of ammo law, 11,000 of the 65,000 ammunition purchases in the state were flagged, delayed, and in many cases denied. Does that mean 11,000 criminals were stopped from buying bullets? Not even close. According to Michel, the state of California says 100 prohibited persons were prevented from buying ammunition at retail in the state."

https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/...unition-background-check-law-is-a-total-mess/

 

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"In an in-depth and wide-ranging interview, Michel says that during the first month of ammo law, 11,000 of the 65,000 ammunition purchases in the state were flagged, delayed, and in many cases denied. Does that mean 11,000 criminals were stopped from buying bullets? Not even close. According to Michel, the state of California says 100 prohibited persons were prevented from buying ammunition at retail in the state."
If they only caught 100 prohibited persons who could the other 10,900 people have possibly been? :-k
 

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Thousands of lawful California gun owners are being denied ammunition purchases. Here's why
https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article238203004.html

Informative video at the link too.

"Of the 345,547 ammunition background checks performed, only 101 stopped the buyer because he or she was a "prohibited person" who can't legally possess ammunition, according to state Department of Justice data.

Yet another 62,000 ammunition purchases were rejected as well. Those people left empty-handed because their personal information hadn't been entered into the state's system, or the information on their identification cards didn't match what officials had entered into the California gun registry database, which retail sellers must review when they do the ammunition background check."
 

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Doh!

"Fiona Benjamin, 23, is one of the new hunters the state is actively trying to recruit, but she said she found herself blocked from purchasing ammunition this fall because she hadn’t registered a gun. Up to that point, she’d borrowed a friend’s shotgun when she was out in the field.

In order to get registered to buy ammo, Benjamin, a recent UC Davis graduate from Half Moon Bay, said she did what California lawmakers, who are wary of having more guns and ammunition in circulation, probably didn’t intend when they passed their gun legislation.

She bought a new shotgun, and she said she plans on stockpiling ammunition when she clears the Department of Justice’s system."
 

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In order to get registered to buy ammo, Benjamin, a recent UC Davis graduate from Half Moon Bay, said she did what California lawmakers, who are wary of having more guns and ammunition in circulation, probably didn't intend when they passed their gun legislation.

She bought a new shotgun, and she said she plans on stockpiling ammunition when she clears the Department of Justice's system."
Another well thought out law that will stop the increase of guns and ammo in CA. Or maybe not! :shakehead:

She better be careful her ammo "stockpile" doesn't turn into an "arsenal." :mrgreen:
 

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Rhode v Becerra -

Judge tosses California ammunition purchase law
https://apnews.com/da939b10185f662e536ec96dc6156aa2




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BREAKING: Rhode v Becerra (S.D. CA): In a 120pg order, Judge Benitez grants preliminary injunction against California's ammo background check law. "That a majority today may wish it were otherwise, does not change the Constitutional right. It never has." https://courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.571335/gov.uscourts.casd.571335.60.0.pdf…







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California is about the start Freedom Week 2.0

There is going to be a run on ammo.
 
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