CA: Senate approves bill to 'microstamp' pistol cartridges

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  1. adcurt

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    So horribly flawed on soo many levels, but why should logic enter the equation, eh?

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    CA: Senate approves bill to 'microstamp' pistol cartridges

    ap on Riverside Press Enterprise | 9/6/07 | Don Thompson - ap
    SACRAMENTO

    California would be the first state to require that every semiautomatic handgun cartridge be stamped with an identifying mark if the governor signs a bill that has now cleared both chambers of the Legislature.

    The Senate approved the bill Thursday, sending it back to the Assembly for a final vote on amendments. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has not said whether he will sign the bill once it reaches his desk.

    The measure would require that, starting in 2010, every semiautomatic handgun sold in California would have to automatically "microstamp" each bullet cartridge in two locations as it is fired. The microscopic stamping would identify the gun's make, model and serial number.

    The bill would not affect revolvers, rifles or shotguns, but supporters say semiautomatics are the weapon used in a majority of homicides committed with firearms. Unlike revolvers, semiautomatics eject a cartridge each time they are fired, scattering evidence at a crime scene.

    "This is something that would be helpful in identifying the gun that was used in the commission of a crime," said Sen. Jack Scott, D-Altadena, during Thursday's debate. "It's just giving law enforcement one more tool."

    The measure cleared the Senate 21-17, with no votes to spare.

    Opponents said the technology and the bill itself are dangerously flawed.

    Criminals could collect cartridges from firing ranges and strew them at crime scenes, implicating innocent citizens, said Sen. Dennis Hollingsworth, R-Temecula. The firing pin that stamps the cartridge will either have to be so soft that it could be easily erased, or so brittle that it could break, he said.

    Sen. Dave Cogdill, R-Modesto, argued that the bill will add "more cost and unnecessary harassment, quite frankly, of law-abiding citizens."

    Similar legislation was introduced in Massachusetts and Rhode Island this year, according to the bill's author, Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles. A federal bill, modeled on California's, is being considered by Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Los Angeles.
     

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    We catch most of the baddies based on the ballistics of the bullet, not the catridge that held the powder. Besides how are you going to distinguish a spent catridge from a G19 from another G19? They're both going to have the same mark. It's more senseless bs to add cost to the law abiding citizens.
     
  3. viper32cm

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    This is retardedly moronic. Any criminal with two brain cells will either

    1. Use a revolver, or other exempted gun
    2. Use a pre-microstamp semi-auto
    3. COLLECT HIS BRASS
    4. Use a brass catcher
    5. Go to a shooting range and collect other peoples brass

    All done at the altar of reasonableness too. I have to say that providing law enforcement one more investigatory tool is almost as weak an argument as "it's for the children."
     
  4. AV8R

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    If this is signed, could a potential result be that gun manufacturers will just not sell guns in Kalifonia? I would love to see the outcry from that.
     
  5. Gunstar1

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    I was thinking the same thing, also I wonder if police firearms are exempt (like they usually are concerning these type laws).

    Wasn't it Bushmaster that said they would not sell in California after the 50 cal ban?
     
  6. ptsmith24

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  7. AeroShooter

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    Or disassemble the gun and file down the dies that do the marking.
     
  8. Thorsen

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    Since most criminals are using guns that were not legally purchased by them, it doesn't really do anything to hurt them does it? Just another law that harms law abiding citizens.
     
  9. Malum Prohibitum

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    No. Barrett.
     
  10. Taler

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    Barrett wouldn't repair the rifles previously sold to the State. His letter was posted on the Barrett site.
     
  11. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    Exactly.
     
  12. wsweeks2

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    When is this state going to fall off into the ocean?

    And I think ultimately the goal of the legislators is to ban gun ownership by these types of actions. If the manufacturers can't comply in a manner that is cost effective, this reduces the number of people able to purchase firearms. If they can succeed with this, they don't have to ban guns - no one will be able to afford them.
     
  13. Rammstein

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    Not soon enough.
     
  14. adcurt

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    These anti-gun laws are always written by people who don't understand, own, or use guns. You'd think that they'd ask around or do a modest feasability study first, but... oh, well.

    I'm convinced that CA is writing laws such as this to make pistol sales impossible in the state. Personally, I would add in a rider to the bill that would force all Hippies to bathe daily. I would wager that both ideas would have the same success rate on compliance.
     
  15. adcurt

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    Oh, I almost forgot:

    They want one of the stamps to be on the firing pin?? Only a retarded person would go there. Really. I mean that.

    You'd have to be physically retarded to propose placing a stamp on an impact device that collides with a cartridge that contains explosives. From an engineering standpoint you kinda want that thing to be responsible for one thing only, wouldn't you?
     
  16. AeroShooter

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    Actually, this makes sense from an engineering standpoint. You add no additional mechanism to product... you change one part... add maybe a step or two during manufacturing. The firing pin is designed to strike the primer. The primer is meant to be struck by the firing pin. All you're changing is the shape of the cavity in the primer.

    Will this work? No. All one has to do is take a file and smooth the firing pin down some. The firing operation would not be affected significantly.
     
  17. adcurt

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    So all they have to do is convince all ammunition makers to voluntarily change the size of the cavity of their primer? No problem there for sure...

    I'm not sure it's mentioned, but one committe proposed TWO firing pins: one for the primer and one that would stamp the casing with the pistol's serial number.

    Maybe that's what instigated my tirade on their level of intel....
     
  18. merlock

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    I agree.

    I wish I could talk my parents into getting the hell out of there. :(
     
  19. AeroShooter

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    Sorry, I was a little unclear... the cavity that's being altered is the one made by the firing pin when it strikes the primer...