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Two Suspects Shot, One Killed, in Brunswick Home Invasion

Monday, Sep 03, 2007 - 10:18 AM Updated: 10:43 AM

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Brunswick authorities are investigating a deadly early morning shooting.

Police officers responded to the report of a home invasion with subjects being shot at 601 Wolfe Street about 1:30am.

When they arrived on scene, we're told an 18-year-old black male was found sitting on the front porch suffering from a gunshot wound to the abdomen. They say another black male was also found shot, lying down inside the home.

Police tell us both of the shooting victims were suspected of entering the house and attempted to rob the occupants at gunpoint.

Officers say they were shot by one of the victims who was defending himself and others in the residence.

The 18-year-old suspect was transported to the local hospital for treatment and faces criminal charges. We're told the second suspect was pronounced dead at the scene.

None of the victims in the residence were injured. Brunwick Police is handling the case and they say the investigation is on-going.
 

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I'm glad no one inside was hurt, but I think the home invasion would've been better if the two suspects had just gone to their own homes. I hope the victims can get back to a normal life and recover from their ordeal as soon as possible.
 

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I have to say that anytime someone is shot and killed, you can't say that things have "Gone right"
Maybe I'm a little too edgy about it, but these things get to me.
So, what would rather the outcome be with two armed criminals breaking into your home? I know it is never a good thing for someone to be killed but the person was merely defending their home. Many of us who chose to arm ourselves need to be prepared with the consequences of using deadly force. I never hope to be faced with a situation like this but the fact that the victim didn't turn into a sheep pleases me. You will see crime drop if this is the result of every attempted home invasion.
 

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Sine Nomen said:
I have to say that anytime someone is shot and killed, you can't say that things have "Gone right"
Maybe I'm a little too edgy about it, but these things get to me.
It's all perspective. It went right for the homeowner, and wrong for the BG's.

In a case like this, thank God the homeowner and all occupants are safe. The others got hurt as a result of their actions.
 

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I have no pity for somone who dies or is hurt while committing a violent crime. I just wish the homeowner could have shot better in regards to the one who lived as now the taxpayers will have to pay for his upkeep and medical care.
 

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Jmark said:
Sine Nomen said:
I have to say that anytime someone is shot and killed, you can't say that things have "Gone right"
Maybe I'm a little too edgy about it, but these things get to me.
So, what would rather the outcome be with two armed criminals breaking into your home? I know it is never a good thing for someone to be killed but the person was merely defending their home. Many of us who chose to arm ourselves need to be prepared with the consequences of using deadly force. I never hope to be faced with a situation like this but the fact that the victim didn't turn into a sheep pleases me. You will see crime drop if this is the result of every attempted home invasion.
Well, the easy answer is that I would hope no one breaks into my home, or anyone else's. I still believe (want to believe?) that evil is not inevitable. Though that wish may be, I do acknowledge that people still do bad things.

If someone were to break into my home, or try to rob me on the sidewalk, or try to molest a perfect stranger, my first choice would be to see them taken into custody and prosecuted. A close second would be for them to run like hell and leave their intended victim alone. The bottom of the justice choices is to inflict life-ending injuries.

I do not want to kill anyone, not even a criminal. It is a choice that I am prepared to make to protect the life of those threatened (namely mine), but it would be a heavy choice to carry.

When I hear people say that it's a "good" thing that someone got killed, I can only think they aren't fully aware of what they're saying or that they're deeply sick. I don't think you're sick. I just see some imprecision of words.
 

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Sine Nomen said:
I have to say that anytime someone is shot and killed, you can't say that things have "Gone right"
Maybe I'm a little too edgy about it, but these things get to me.
Nah, it's just that the quality of mercy varies from individual to individual. It's what I would describe as normative-neutral behavior.
 

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When I hear people say that it's a "good" thing that someone got killed, I can only think they aren't fully aware of what they're saying or that they're deeply sick. I don't think you're sick. I just see some imprecision of words.
I never said it was a good thing anyone got killed. In fact I said it is never a good thing when it comes down to someone getting killed. What I am saying is, considering the circumstances of an armed home invasion there was a favorable outcome for the "good guys."

If that wasn't directed at me just disregard this.
 

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Given the limited details, I would say it went about as right as it could. Sometimes it just boils down to you or the BG.
 

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I have no pity for somone who dies or is hurt while committing a violent crime. I just wish the homeowner could have shot better in regards to the one who lived as now the taxpayers will have to pay for his upkeep and medical care.
I agree. Boo-frigging-hoo for a guy who stormed into a home to at least rob and possibly kill the occupants. They do that I hope they get exactly what they deserve - like in this case - every time. The shooter (homeowner) should get a public service award. You second guess and hold off defending yourself you or a family member may end up being the one zipped up in a bag. Not me. I almost checked out once. My life and family members lives are too precious - we plan on sticking around. If that makes me sick oh well...
 

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That's one person less that will be breaking into homes in the future and another who learned a hard lesson... if he decides to continue his career, hopefully he'll be taking the eternal dirtnap too.

I have no pity for someone who chooses to do such things. This is an ownership society. Anyone that comes to take property or do bodily harm (you own yourself) is fundamentally un-american.

As far as someone dying and the emotions of it all, that's for the person that pulled the trigger. I hope that person is doing ok.
 

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Jmark said:
When I hear people say that it's a "good" thing that someone got killed, I can only think they aren't fully aware of what they're saying or that they're deeply sick. I don't think you're sick. I just see some imprecision of words.
I never said it was a good thing anyone got killed. In fact I said it is never a good thing when it comes down to someone getting killed. What I am saying is, considering the circumstances of an armed home invasion there was a favorable outcome for the "good guys."

If that wasn't directed at me just disregard this.
I would have to agree with jmark on this one. The taking of someones should not be taken lightly, but on the flip side the perpetrater forfieted any claim to compassion with his actions. Therefore no compassion shall be given when his criminal actions caused someone to defend themselves and in that defense the low life SOB was killed.

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But, they were such good boys. Never in any "serious" trouble before. They were turning their lives around. Why did this have to happen? Why were they shot down like animals. Why couldn't the people in the house just have given them what they wanted and this never would have ended this way. Think of their poor mothers. Be sure to get a tee shirt with their pictures on it for the funeral...


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Why couldn't the people in the house just have given them what they wanted
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I would give them just what I wanted them to have, 180gr at a time in multiples of 15. While I do not want to go out and take a life, my not wanting to be on the other end highly outweighs this thought.
 

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Here's a more descriptive account:

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/open_ac ... 133203.php

Robbery target won't be victim, kills intruder

Tue, Sep 4, 2007

By EMILY STRANGER

The Brunswick News

When two armed men allegedly attempted to rob a house full of young adults in Brunswick early Monday morning, their victims fought back.

A man visiting the house at 601 Wolfe St. in the city's south end pulled a handgun from the front of his pants and shot the two would-be robbers, killing one of them and wounding the other, police said.

Police did not release the names of the two suspects. No charges had been filed Monday.

The renters of the house, Leah Whitman, 18, Robert Herd, 20, and Josh Stout, 20, had been living there almost three months and had spent all day Sunday moving out their furniture and personal things, Whitman said.

Josh Stout, 20, left, Robert Herd, 20, and Leah Witman, 19, stand in the doorway of the house they occupy at 601 Wolfe St., next to the front door with a bullet hole and broken glass. They have lived in the house for three months and were being robbed at gunpoint early Monday morning when a friend who was visiting shot and killed one robber and wounded another.

That evening, the three planned to hang out on the front porch one last time with friends and enjoy the Labor Day weekend.

At about 1:30 a.m. Monday, the three, accompanied by two other friends, were sitting on the porch of the two-story, yellow house when the two would-be robbers jumped onto the porch and pulled out a gun.

Whitman said they had been watching the two suspects canvass the neighborhood before the attack.
"They walked up and down the block a couple of times," she said. "We honestly didn't have any idea they were going (to rob) us, though."

Whitman said the two armed men walked her and the others, most of whom were in their early 20s, to the back of the house adjacent to the kitchen.

"They made us take off our shoes and empty our pockets, and stole all of our cell phones," Whitman said. "When they couldn't find cash, they began stealing our change and counting it right there in front of us."

She said the two then demanded car keys.

"They kept joking with us the whole time, telling us they had just smoked crack and that we are poor kids," Whitman said. "One of the robbers said that (his accomplice) had just gotten out of prison, and not to mind him because it was his first time robbing anybody."

At one point, one of the robbers went outside and returned carrying a shotgun, Whitman said.

Whitman said no one knows where the shotgun came from, but believe the robbers might have taken it out of a vehicle belonging to one of her friends.

"One of the robbers who took my car keys even went into the front console of my car and stole all the pennies I had laying there," Stout said.

Every time a new visitor showed up at the house, they were greeted by the robbers, frisked for money and taken to the back room.

The two men became aggravated when more people kept showing up, Whitman said.

About that time, Hector, a friend of the Wolfe Street renters, whose last name they would not reveal, happened to show up at the house.

Hector had never been to the house before and none of the other guests had any idea he was going to drop by for a visit, they said.

"When Hector showed up, (the robbers) walked him to the back room, too," Whitman said.

She said the two made Hector empty out his pockets and take off his shoes just like everybody else. What the two didn't realize was that Hector had a .45 caliber pistol tucked in the front of his jeans.

One of the attackers was in the kitchen area and the other in the front hallway when Hector began shooting.

It played out just like a scene from a movie, Whitman said.

"When the robber tried to rob (Hector), he emptied his pockets, then said, 'I don't know who you think you're robbing,'" she said Monday afternoon. "That's when he pulled out his gun and began shooting them."

Hector allegedly fired two shots at the suspect in the kitchen and three at the suspect in the hallway.

"He took both of them out before either had a chance to shoot back," Herd said. "It all happened so fast ... It's a blur."

The suspect in the kitchen was shot in the abdomen; the one in the hallway was fatally shot in the right side.

"After Hector shot (the robbers), we all crawled out the windows of the house, and (Hector) stayed inside to make sure we got out safe," Whitman said.

The suspect who was fatally shot tried to run up the stairs after he was wounded and died at the top of the staircase, said witnesses at the home on Monday.

The other suspect managed to walk out to the front porch, where he was found by city police and rushed to the emergency room of the Brunswick hospital of Southeast Georgia Health System.

Whitman, thinking back on the incident Monday afternoon, said she feels lucky to be alive.

She said neither of the suspects wore bandanas or masks to cover their faces.

"They were completely unmasked and I think they would have shot us because they wouldn't have wanted to leave any witnesses," she said. "(Hector) really saved our lives."


Everett Clark, who lives across from the house on Wolfe Street, said he hopes the shooting is a warning to any would-be robbers in Brunswick.

"Maybe this will send a message that we're sick of all these robberies and violence, and we're not going to take it anymore," he said.
 

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After reading that, imagine how different this might have been if Georgia had a law like some states that requires permission be obtained prior to visiting somebody at their residence while carrying a firearm.
 

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Hector will probably be lucky if he isn't charged with something.
 

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And a newer more telling update:

P.S. - Brunswick Mayor Bryan Thompson is a douchebag.

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/open_ac ... 547747.php

Police ID dead man, suspect in robbery

Wed, Sep 5, 2007

By EMILY STRANGER

The Brunswick News

One of three residents of a house on Wolfe Street where two intruders where shot Monday morning says the gun-wielding pair threatened to kill him and others.

"The robbers had told us nobody was going to leave (the house) alive," Robert Herd, 20, said Tuesday.

Herd rented the house at 601 Wolfe St., Brunswick, with Josh Stout, 20, and Leah Whitman, 19. They were preparing to move out Monday when two men armed with guns walked into the house and held up them and others who had gathered for Labor Day at gunpoint at about 1:30 a.m.

A friend of the renters shot both intruders, killing one and wounding the other.

The front door at 601 Wolfe St. shows evidence of Monday morning's gunfire. By Tuesday, the door had been boarded over.

Police Tuesday identified the man who was killed as Burnell Pollard, 19, of Darien Highway. Jody Cobb, 18, of Atkinson Street remained in critical condition Tuesday at the Brunswick Hospital of Southeast Georgia Health System. Pollard was shot in the right side and Cobb in the abdomen.

Pollard and Cobb allegedly threatened the victims with a pistol and a shotgun, and made them empty out their pockets.

Police said they are checking to see if Pollard and Cobb are connected to other armed robberies that have occurred in the city the past few weeks.
Police declined to release the name of the man who shot the two intruders, saying the incident is still under investigation. Those present at the house gave his name only as "Hector."

Police said Tuesday that the shooting was self-defense and that Hector would not be charged.

After the robbers told Hector to empty his pockets, he allegedly pulled a gun from the front of his pants and shot them.

Brunswick Mayor Bryan Thompson said the entire incident could have been avoided. He said the residents of the house should have called police when they became suspicious of the two men they had seen walking up and down the street.

"It's what we've been saying about citizens getting involved and being the eyes and ears of police," he said. "None of them picked up a phone. If they would have called the Brunswick Police Department, we could have had a police unit there within minutes and this entire thing could have been avoided."

"Those (young people) said they watched them and noticed they were casing something. They were casing something all right. They were casing them."

On Monday, Whitman had said that people at the house had seen the would-be robbers walk up and down the block before the robbery attempt.
 
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