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Monday - April 16, 2007

CARNAGE AT VIRGINIA TECH

Like me, I'm sure many of you are busy tracking the news stories out of Blacksburg, Virginia. A person, presumably a student, armed with two semi-automatic pistols has hilled at least 32 people. The shooter is dead. Whether by his own hand, or at the hands of law enforcement, is not yet known.

As the initial shock wears off you can bet that the anti-Second Amendment people wall be coming out of the woodwork. By the time the evening network newscasts hit we will have no shortage of spokesmen for various anti-gun groups stepping forth to issue their tired call for an end to the private ownership of handguns.

This is undoubtedly the worst school shooting, high school, college or otherwise, in the history of our country. There are some facts, however, about some of these school shootings of which you probably are not aware. Do you know, for instance, that at least three shootings in high schools were stopped by civilians with guns? Civilians, not law enforcement. In one case a civilian was traveling past a school when he saw children running from the building. One told him that there was a student inside shooting people. The civilian pulled his gun, ran in side, and confronted the student. The student put down the gun and surrendered. In another case a high school vice-principal heard that there was a student in the hallways with a gun. He sprinted a half-mile to his car. He had a gun in his car so he had to park off campus. He then sprinted back with the gun to confront the student. Lives saved.

The point here is that you are never ever going to get the guns out of the hands of those who want to use them for carnage. Never. Gun control programs will only succeed in getting the guns out of the hands of people who want them and need them for self-defense. Never, in the history of America's gun control movement, has anyone set forth a viable program to get the guns out of the hands of those who would use them to commit crimes. Similarly, the gun control movement will never give any fair coverage at all to the people who use guns to save their own lives, or the lives of others.

We'll have much more to say about this tomorrow. For now, you should know that earlier this year the Virginia General Assembly failed to act on House Bill 1572. This bill would have allowed college students and employees to carry handguns on campus --- with appropriate permits, of course. It died in subcommittee. Larry Hincker, a spokesman for Virginia Tech, the site of today's carnage, said "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

Well .. how's today for safety?

If it had been legal for students, employees or faculty members with permits to carry guns on the campus, is it at all possible that there might be some students alive today who didn't make it through the carnage? Do you think the actions of the Virginia General Assembly stopped the gunman from getting his guns and carrying them to the campus?

More on this tomorrow.
http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
 

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I wish he had linked to articles about the three examples . . .
 

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I see I'm gonna need headphones at work tomorrow.

I've heard about the VP confronting a student, in American Rifleman I believe. The other two I have no clue. It would have been nice to see some links.
 

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I certainly share his thoughts. A few students in the room with guns of their own would have mitigated this carnage for sure.
 

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Anyone from GC calling Boortz today?

Just wondering if anyone from GC will be taking advantage of the opportunity to call into the Boortz show today? I thought it might be an opportune time to have an erudite conversation with someone that is on the same wave length, with lots of band width.
 

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Interesting this point came up. My fiance asked me whether if I was in that class, and we were allowed to by university policy, would it have made a difference. She also asked that if a person with a GFL would be able ot make a difference or not. Would that person actually be able to rid the threat or add to it.

I of course explained to her the rationality we all share here on this site and the difference it surely would have made. People still may have died, however the number of how many deceased may have been decreased.

The situation is easy to analyze after, however there is a split second to react. She agreed after hearing the explanations I provided. It is a different world in America.
 

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Re: Anyone from GC calling Boortz today?

pro2am said:
Just wondering if anyone from GC will be taking advantage of the opportunity to call into the Boortz show today? I thought it might be an opportune time to have an erudite conversation with someone that is on the same wave length, with lots of band width.
Good Luck with that!

I have tried calling Neal on several occassions about gun issues only to get snubbed by Belinda because the show was "Nationally Syndicated". Whatever the hell that means....
 

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Nationally syndicated means it is broadcast through several stations throughout the nation. I don't see why that matters in regards to your situation, though.
 

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My point was that it was his choice to talk about the gun issue, and he is clearly on the same side we are in terms of seeing the logic of allowing someone to protect themselves with a gun, so I don't think he or Belinda would have turned away calls on a subject that he chose to talk about.

Oh well. That was yesterday.
 

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I guess he is taking calls today also...at least he was this morning. Taking a lot of heat apparently for his views and discussing them "so soon after..."
 

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I went over to GlockTalk last night and someone brought up the fact that the caliber wars are now over because the shooter used a .22 and 9mm and it ended up being the worst mass shooting in US history. He got flamed to death because people said "too soon!"

The truth is the truth; regardless of if we talk about it two seconds after it happening or two years.

In my not so humble opinion a large portion of the posting community on GlockTalk are a bunch of douche bags. Between the overzealous mods and the asshat posters I can't stand it over there.

Thus ends my rant about GlockTalk.
 

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Rammstein said:
I went over to GlockTalk last night and someone brought up the fact that the caliber wars are now over because the shooter used a .22 and 9mm and it ended up being the worst mass shooting in US history.
Not true...just ask the Branch Davidians, or any Confederate.

But those were government sanctioned.
 

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Foul said:
Rammstein said:
I went over to GlockTalk last night and someone brought up the fact that the caliber wars are now over because the shooter used a .22 and 9mm and it ended up being the worst mass shooting in US history.
Not true...just ask the Branch Davidians, or any Confederate.

But those were government sanctioned.
This one was indirectly government sanctioned.
 
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