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That sign makes no sense. It obviously is referring somehow to using a bong, probably to smoke pot. Jesus is in there for whatever reason.

Who cares? I don't. What was that lady the other day on TV standing behind one of the talking heads on TV that wore an Impeach Bush shirt or whatever that she exposed once the cameras rolled. It happens all the time. If the sign was disruptive, maybe he could have had it taken down, but I can't see him being suspended for it.

I hope the Supreme Court considers this one carefully. Our students are already being indoctrinated into the new-age liberal philosophy... they deserve every right an adult has. It's not like you turn 18 and then suddenly you get all of the rights in the Constitution. I'm sure there should be a limit.. you shouldn't put signs up at school that say "Rape a teacher" or something... I wonder how they'll decide it? I'm thoroughly confused but I know I don't give a crap about that sign. It's nonsense.
 

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The Principal messed up by not having all of the students on school property. If she had done this it would not be an issue. The sign could have been simply removed, over and done with. By not having the kids on school property and only having them partially supervised opened her up to a ton of legalties.
 

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I'm in the process of reading the oral arguments now and so far Scalia disappoints me.
 

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Doc Holliday said:
The Principal messed up by not having all of the students on school property. If she had done this it would not be an issue. The sign could have been simply removed, over and done with. By not having the kids on school property and only having them partially supervised opened her up to a ton of legalties.
How can students be suspended for what a banner that wasn't on school property?
 

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Doc Holliday said:
The Principal messed up by not having all of the students on school property. If she had done this it would not be an issue. The sign could have been simply removed, over and done with. By not having the kids on school property and only having them partially supervised opened her up to a ton of legalties.
How can students be suspended for what a banner that wasn't on school property?
If she would have had all of the students on school property she could have removed the sign and this would be a non-issue.

The sign btw is inappropriate for a school setting.
 

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What was that lady the other day on TV standing behind one of the talking heads on TV that wore an Impeach Bush shirt or whatever that she . . .
That was a dude in drag . . .

I can't believe you thought that thing was female. :lol:
 

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Rammstein said:
I'm in the process of reading the oral arguments now and so far Scalia disappoints me.
Scalia does this every now and then. I am encouraged by Alito, however.
Yeah, I didn't go into it thinking that Alito would be as for the speech as it appears he is.
 

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Doc Holliday said:
The sign btw is inappropriate for a school setting.
Good thing for Frederick he was across the street. :D
 

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Yeah, I also think the principal screwed the pooch on this one.

It'll be interesting to see what the SCOTUS comes up with. Wadda ya tink? Nine opinions?
 

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I am pretty sure they are going to side with Frederick


Here are my predictions:
Kennedy
Ginsberg
Souter
Breyer
Alito

Dissent:
Scalia
Roberts
Stevens
 

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Revised outcome:
Kennedy
Ginsberg
Souter
Breyer
Alito
Roberts

Dissent:
Scalia
Stevens
 

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I think the court will rule for the kid, but I think his sign was wrong.

After mulling this over a bit, and based on information previously learned on this forum, I think the sign should have said:


"Gong Hits for Jesus"


in honor of one of our own.

Don't ask me. Ask MP. It's his call to explain or to let that part of his life remain undiscovered, undisclosed and undiscussed...
 

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Why a revision Ramm? Something new, or a complete reading?
I finally read the whole thing.
 

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Macktee said:

"Gong
Hits for Jesus"

Don't ask me. Ask MP.
Whoa! MP. Were you that guy on the Gong Show? The one with the bag over his head. I seem to recall he had similar tastes in ties.

oppps I went & said the T word... :oops:
 

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The sign did not disrupt any student's learning experience, and the student didn't advocate violating any other person's rights to life, liberty or property. Some drugs are okay--alcohol--but some are not--THC--because some guys and gals in suits say so. Some guy makes some corny sign that he finds amusing that has a non-sensical phrase on it that could be interpreted to be advocating the use of one of the arbitrarily determined "bad" drugs, and gets suspended.

Being the radical that I am, I think watering down the 1st Amendment in the name of the "War on Drugs" is stupid. I support this kids right to put up the stupid "Bong hits for Jesus" sign, because I support the 1A with just as much fervor as I do the 2A.

If the FF had wanted only political speech to be protected, they would have said as much. His speech did not violate the rights of others, and therefore should be protected... despite what a bunch of Puritans in black robes said in the early 1800's. These same black robed folks said that "Separate but Equal" was hunky-dory, and we know how that worked out.

Citizen M249 says, "Bad call, ump."

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The decision didn't bother me as much as the supporting arguments:

the constitutional rights of students in public school are not automatically coextensive with the rights of adults in other settings
Why? So, Joe Smith, at 18 can can vote, and enlist in the military, but somehow, doesn't have the "coextensive rights" of an 18 year-old graduate or drop-out because he's in a government school setting?

educators do not offend the First Amendment by exercising editorial control over the style and content of student speech in school-sponsored expressive activities so long as their actions are reasonably related to legitimate pedagogical concerns
A pro-2A article could provide a "legitimate pedagogical concern" by violating the schools zero-tolerance policy on weapons, and thus be edited from the school paper.

In my view, the history of public education suggests that the First Amendment, as originally understood, does not protect student speech in public schools. Although colonial schools were exclusively private, public education proliferated in the early 1800's. By the time the States ratified the Fourteenth Amendment, public schools had become relatively common. W. Reese, America's Public Schools: From the Common School to "No Child Left Behind" 11-12 (2005) (hereinafter Reese). If students in public schools were originally understood as having free-speech rights, one would have expected 19th-century public schools to have respected those rights and courts to have enforced them.1 They did not.
It's my understanding, at that time, you had a good chance of being married and working your farm at 16, and you weren't likely to be in a public school. See below:
In a class of thirty-six <college> students in the early 1800s, eight were less than fourteen years old.
Iran Cassim Mohsenin
History of Education Quarterly, Vol. 23, No. 4 (Winter, 1983), pp. 491-498

NOTE: I don't smoke marijuana, but I don't think politicians ought to be able to tell a grown man what he can and can't put into his body. Parents, on the other hand, can beat their child within an inch of their lives if they catch 'em smoking weed. Tell them there is a time and a place for that sort of thing, and it's called college.
 
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