Best Reciprocity Scenarios

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rougeneck

Discussion Starter · Jun 18, 2016 (Edited)

Here is what having just a Georgia License looks like:

Here is having a Georgia resident permit PLUS a Florida Non-Resident permit PLUS an Arizona (Which gets you Nevada) looks like:

Here is having a Georgia resident permit PLUS a Florida Non-Resident permit looks like:

Note:These maps were created using an Iphone and Android phone app called CCW

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rougeneck

Discussion Starter · #2 · Jun 18, 2016 (Edited)

Here is an All-In/ Money is no limit scenario which is based on having a Georgia resident permit plus these non-resident permits:

Arizona
Washington, D.C.
Connecticut
Florida
Illinois
Maryland
Massachusetts
Minnesota
Oregon
Rhode Island
Washington (State)

Left New Jersey out of above because in reality they would NEVER issue a common person a license. I'm sure if you're a millionaire with lots of politically connected friends in NJ with an $800 per hour lawyer you can get a permit.

I should have also left Maryland off but did not...Maryland wants you to prove either you carry tons of cash for a job or you've been targeted for murder/ assault with police report verification.

Washington D.C. is also not exactly clear on issue requirements.

Massachusetts does require a "Johnny is a good boy" letter from your local police chief plus two personal references. Edit: Must appear in person to complete

If you own property or a business in the Virgin Islands I think you can get a permit there.

Update:Non-residents can apply for Puerto Rico permit but must provide reason to fear safety and document that you have training

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Nemo

· #3 · Jun 18, 2016

Virginia will recognize and reciprocal to Ga permits effective July 1. 12 days from now.

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rougeneck

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jun 18, 2016

Noticed a possible bug in the CCW app, the count of state validity did not add up correctly in some scenarios

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Malum Prohibitum

· #5 · Jun 18, 2016

There is no such thing as an Oregon non-resident, unless you live in an adjacent state, which Georgia is not, based on memory from my elementary school geography class.

You are also not eligible for an Illinois non-resident, if I recall correctly. Doublecheck.

D.C.???

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rougeneck

Discussion Starter · #6 · Jun 18, 2016 (Edited)

Malum Prohibitum said:
There is no such thing as an Oregon non-resident, unless you live in an adjacent state, which Georgia is not, based on memory from my elementary school geography class.

You are also not eligible for an Illinois non-resident, if I recall correctly. Doublecheck.

D.C.???

You are correct on Oregon...bordering states only and even that is May Issue.

D.C. is in fact a "wildcard", rules and laws aren't even clear for residents so who knows what that even means for non-residents. The problem seems to be that there are pending cases still in the court system.

Quote from app on Illinois:

Out of state residents may be eligible for an Illinois Concealed carry license if your state meets the definition of substantially similar as established by rule. See 20 II. Admin Code 1231.10 Stated as similar: HI, SC, VA. Cost is $300 (2 yrs)

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Malum Prohibitum

· #7 · Jun 18, 2016

Ooh. 3 States. That is some reciprocity for Illinois! One of those states is Hawaii, where NO licenses are issued. LOL! Why is Virginia on the Illinois list? They issue to people not eligible under federal law. Maybe because the Governor is a Democrat and was in the news about gun control? LOL!

And what sense does that statutory scheme make?

If your state's scheme is substantially similar, then you may apply in Illinois. Why not just recognize the license from another state with substantially similar issuance?

If a Georgian applies in Illinois, then he must go through the Illinois process, so what does the substantial similarity matter???

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rougeneck

Discussion Starter · #8 · Jun 18, 2016

Malum Prohibitum said:
Ooh. 3 States. That is some reciprocity for Illinois! One of those states is Hawaii, where NO licenses are issued. LOL! Why is Virginia on the Illinois list? They issue to people not eligible under federal law. Maybe because the Governor is a Democrat and was in the news about gun control? LOL!

And what sense does that statutory scheme make?

If your state's scheme is substantially similar, then you may apply in Illinois. Why not just recognize the license from another state with substantially similar issuance?

If a Georgian applies in Illinois, then he must go through the Illinois process, so what does the substantial similarity matter???

I think that is code for hiring a "substantially expensive" connected Illinois lawyer to help you get a permit.

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Solomon_G

· #9 · Jun 18, 2016

Having lived 15 minutes from Illinois/ 30 minutes from Chicago...When they first passed the law allowing people to get a permit\license, the requirements were so ridiculous no one could get one, you had to have 8 hrs of training by their appointed trainers...yet they wouldn't list any trainers for the longest time.

And the cost was stupid high.

Not sure what it is now, don't really care to look it up...just know i'd never move to that state.

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Solomon_G

· #10 · Jun 18, 2016

Ok dangit....i got curious...LOL

Illinois requirements...

I thought they did away with the FOID card...i guess not.
Helps them track who has guns.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-concealed-carry-requirements-20140228-story.html

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Nemo

· #11 · Jun 19, 2016

Malum Prohibitum said:
Why is Virginia . . . ? They issue to people not eligible under federal law. Maybe because the Governor is a Democrat and was in the news about gun control? LOL!

If I understand you correctly, you believe Va issues to Federally prohibited persons due to domestic violence convictions. If I understand you correctly, you are in error. Last Dec-Feb, the Attorney General in Va shot down recognition of 28 states. The Repub controlled state legislature got moving and made it so Va is reciprocal with about everyone.

In return they made a state statute that a DV conviction is a firearm ownership disabling matter. Just like the Fed statute.

As far as the state lack of prohibition prior to that, all background checks were run through the state police for CCW permits or purchases and if they found the DV conviction the permit issue or gun sale did not get approval due to the federal prohibition.

The universal background check negotiation point was shot down but the State Police are now available at all shows in Va to do a check on any private sale where it is requested.

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moe mensale

· #12 · Jun 19, 2016

rougeneck said:
Here is having a Georgia resident permit PLUS a Florida Non-Resident permit looks like:

There's no such thing as a FL non-resident carry license. FL issues the same carry licenses to residents and non-residents.

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rougeneck

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jun 19, 2016 (Edited)

moe mensale said:
There's no such thing as a FL non-resident carry license. FL issues the same carry licenses to residents and non-residents.

True...I've held a FL permit(s) for over a decade...you just have to be on top of reciprocity laws because some states will disqualify your (FL) permit if you are the legal resident of another state. Pennsylvania is one of those strange places that does that.

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rougeneck

Discussion Starter · #14 · Aug 5, 2016 (Edited)

Checked my CCW app today and it updated me (via my Florida permit) to Nevada!

Even went to Nevada's state site to confirm and it says Florida...without that little nasty "resident permit only" note.

I guess the Florida is still worth the $112 (7 year) fee for us Georgia residents.

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