Augusta Mall....

Discussion in 'Places Off-Limits' started by TattooKenny, Oct 24, 2010.

  1. TattooKenny

    TattooKenny New Member

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    So this afternoon I needed to run to the mall for a few things. My shop is 2 blocks away from the mall on Wrightsboro Rd. I carry everyday with a back up and I have all of the guys who work for me carry as well at work. Of course we all have GFL's. So off to the mall I go today. I entered the mall through Borders book store. I grab my magazines first! While downstairs I stopped to get something from one of the little stands set up in the walk way. As I was getting my wallet out of my pocket a security guard walked up to me and asked me did I have a gun on me? I answered, did you see a gun on me? He said he thought he saw a imprint of one on my side. BTW, my Diamondback .380 was in a Blackhawk small of the back holster so he didn't see it I assure you. And my back up is in a ankle holster. Anywho, I said yes I was armed and no it wasn't on my side. He then called for "back up". I showed him my permit and ID. He said I couldn't carry in the mall, that I need to learn how to read when I walk in! That the entrance of all the doors were marked No Weapons! I informed him that there was no such "sign" when I came in through Borders! Long story short I was kicked out of the mall by Richmond county after having my name run and the numbers on my pistols ran! I was pissed to say the least!

    So Now I'm wondering, can I carry at the mall or not? You can enter the mall through Borders, Sears, Dicks, JC Penny, ect..... They do not have any signs that say you can't carry so how is one supposed to know???? Help!
     
  2. smn

    smn Active Member

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    Malls are notoriously off-limits but if you CC you better keep it concealed. WTF did you let them run the numbers? What suspicion did they have the guns were stolen? How did that conversation go? Were you detained? Did you feel like you could walk away? Did you consent to all of this?
     

  3. Hock25

    Hock25 New Member

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    Yes, you can carry at the mall.
     
  4. mountainpass

    mountainpass Under Scrutiny

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    Unless they tell you to leave, then you must do so or get charged with trespassing.
     
  5. Adam5

    Adam5 Atlanta Overwatch

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    Legally you can carry there, but the mall owners have the right to ask you to leave for doing so.
     
  6. Hock25

    Hock25 New Member

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    The OP dodged the trespassing-bullet, it would appear. He should have immediately left, versus a chit-chat and waiting for LEOs to respond. I'd OC into that mall today, if it were nearby. Then again, I don't like malls, so I have no problem with leaving.

    Edit to add: Since the OP didn't leave, it's tap-dancing time, and not the time to assert your rights to not have numbers run on guns, license checked, and so forth. You assert your rights by leaving private property when informed you're not welcomed.
     
  7. AV8R

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    Did the mall cop ever ask you to leave or was the county LEO the first person to ask you to leave?

    You would have been well within your rights to continue on about your way while he was calling for "backup." Once he says you have to leave then you have to leave at once, no matter what his reasons are.
     
  8. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    It's not against the law to lie to mall security.

    I wonder though, if they don't believe you, can they legally pat you down to search for your firearm if you don't give consent?

    I do know that if they don't believe you, they can ask you to leave, and you have to, or risk a tresspassing charge.
     
  9. NTA

    NTA Well-Known Member

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    I don't even know what a mall is.
    Clark Howard says stay out of them.
     
  10. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Any wife will trump Mr. Howard. That's an actual law. :lol:
     
  11. 175FO

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    I carry at the mall often. My girlfriend works at the mall and I often pick her up after work, sometimes late at night. I am not going into a dark parking garage without my gun, I do CC, but I ignore the signs. If someone saw my gun and asked me to leave I would, but I refuse to be unarmed.
     
  12. 175FO

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    :lol: I'm a Clark Howard fan too, despite the poor excuse for a news channel his show is on.
     
  13. CountryGun

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    It's all very confusing. I OC at the mall all of the time. I usually enter through Dicks, or another store that has no sign, even though I know signs carry no legal weight. Dicks has a specific policy allowing carry in their stores.

    The Mall Corporation can clearly ask people to leave. here's where it gets confusing. Does a store owner, leasing space from the mall, have the liberty to set their own policy.

    Maybe we should all make an effort to visit the mall soon, CC if you like, and drop a note in the suggestion box reading: "I shopped in your mall while legally carrying a firearm. How many criminals do you think your policy and signs will keep out of here? Infringements on the rights of law abiding citizens only enable criminals. The mall and parking lot are among the least safest places in town. Can you afford another drop in shopping volume?"
     
  14. Phil1979

    Phil1979 Member Georgia Carry

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    Excellent suggestion, CountryGun! I'll definately prepare a similar note to drop in their comment boxes. Let's all do this, and maybe the message will sink in.
     
  15. CountryGun

    CountryGun New Member

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    Might be better to personalize your note, lest they think one person dumped them all at once.
     
  16. rmodel65

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    why would you give him your permit and why would you wait till the police get there to be escorted out?
     
  17. CountryGun

    CountryGun New Member

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    Can an officer ask you to leave, or must it be a member of the mall staff? An officer is certainly not part of the ownership. How is a citizen to know whether the the officer is enforcing his personal policy, or that of the owner?
     
  18. CountryGun

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    Could've stopped there. I don't believe an officer can ask that question unless he/she can tie it to a RAS (reasonable articulable suspicion) that a crime was being committed. Could a person respond with "Officer, under current law, you should know that you can not ask that question, if I'm not committing a crime."?
     
  19. If an officer is acting as security and is instructed to remove the person breaking policy, they can. A friend of mine was at AMC open carrying and the cop came up to him and said something like "hey man, I'm sure you got a permit, but the manager told me to have you take it outside, so I have to do that." He said the cop was pretty cool and wasn't rude at all. It's weird though, another time at AMC the manager asked him about his gun and asked if he had a permit and said "well, I don't like it but I have to let you carry in here."

    As for malls, I've carried in them, but it was during the cold months and my jacket was covering it. I do everything I can to avoid going to Southlake Mall though.
     
  20. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    The theater probably has five or six managers.