Ask the B/G please?

Discussion in 'General GWL Questions' started by blind_shake, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. blind_shake

    blind_shake Active Member

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    When I lived in Michigan I was talking to a group of guys sitting around after my self defense class talking about what to do if you come across a BG with a gun committing a crime [mugging someone]. One of the assist. instructors said that if you ask the BG please he might do what you tell him. I was confused and he told me to hold my hand and point my fingers like holding a gun and point at him and yell,

    Please [with a sharp fast emphasis on please] put down you weapon or I will shoot, do it now!!!!

    Obviously, he is implying that when you say please fast that the BG will misinterpret it as POLICE...

    He said that even the hardest of criminal will pause even for a second giving you a tactical edge and adding a dominating factor to your advantage. Most BGs will do what you say or run. He said he doesn't teach that but he didn't have a problem using it.

    I just remembered that today and wanted to get your thought or legaleez on the subject.
    Could that be considered as misrepresenting yourself as a police officer? I mean momma told me to always say please. :lol:
     
  2. foshizzle

    foshizzle New Member

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    I think that is a pretty good idea.

    I wouldn't worry about impersonating an officer. I also wouldn't advise negotiating with someone who has a weapon and can do imminent harm to you or someone else. Stop the threat.

    What about "GFL holder, put down the weapon!" :-k
     

  3. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    What about "BANG, put down your weapon."? Followed by another BANG for good measure.
     
  4. blind_shake

    blind_shake Active Member

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    Say it was a baseball bat to make the situation a little more less threatening to the GFL holder.

    He was trying to demonstrate how even BGs consider POs as authority figures and is instilled in everyone at an early age to obey a police officers.
     
  5. blind_shake

    blind_shake Active Member

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    Man I hope you guys are on the jury if I ever get brought up on charges.
     
  6. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    I am still confused. Was he seriously telling you to point your actual fingers at the BG?
     
  7. blind_shake

    blind_shake Active Member

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    him= instructor [ I hope! :shock: ]
     
  8. Thorsen

    Thorsen New Member

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    What about ..... bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang ..... sound of magazine release ... sound of magazine insert ... "you still alive?"
     
  9. Sine Nomen

    Sine Nomen New Member

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    8+1? What are you packing?
     
  10. budder

    budder Moderator Staff Member

    I can only do 8+1 with my P7
     
  11. Thorsen

    Thorsen New Member

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    Colt Commander .45 with 8 round magazine plus 1. Although with the way the damn thing is currently misfeeding on me it will be 12 rounds plus 1 out of my M&P9C until I get it fixed.
     
  12. phaed

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    talking serves no purpose other than putting one at greater risk.
     
  13. Guest

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    Bang! Bang! Uh oh! The person you just shot whom you thought was a mugger was actually UC making an arrest. I carry to protect my family, myself and anyone in our immediate party. I don't know how I would react in regards of defending a perfect stranger. I still have an obligation to provide and protect my family - I can't do that from jail. The liability is wide open when you defend someone that is unknown to you. Plus if you stumble on a perceived crime happening - you take action - and find out like above it was a plain clothes leo or another ccw holder that was in the process of defending themselves. I just hear a lot of "as soon as I see a gun, the BG is dead" "or Bang Bang". Sorry, but that is just a little scary for me. This should be a heads up for others not to rely on other ccw to protect them.
     
  14. VolGrad

    VolGrad Tactical Statistician

    I agree with what you are saying.

    I think my comments and what a couple of others said should not be taken quite so literally. Obviously, I would not just open fire at the mere sight of a gun. As a responsible gun owner and a GFL holder I am used to seeing guns and don't quickly overreact. The scenario given in the original post was taken as an absolute - a crime was being committed. The B/G did have a gun. Still yet, I do not take the responsibility of carrying a weapon lightly and do have some common sense.

    I would NEVER open fire during a stranger-on-stranger crime without giving the perceived threat an opportunity to disarm and/or identify themselves as either a LEO or good-intentioned citizen.

    There is another thread going on as we type about slow drivers in the left lane. One forum member stated there should be a "bounty" on them and wants to "shoot out their tires". I don't think anyone will take his comments seriously and think he actually would do that.

    In short - I am not trigger happy. I apologize if that was the impression I gave. I had the opportunity for a justified shooting several years ago - ag assault with a vehicle, against me - and immediately assessed the situation was NOT IN ANY WAY worth shooting someone over. Not even shooting out their tires. I lowered the weapon and rolled out of the way. My wife was so proud....she said I looked like "Charlie's Angels". Her quote, not mine. I really didn't know how to take that but given she meant it as compliment I was OK with it.
     
  15. blind_shake

    blind_shake Active Member

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    This is my general montra, to all whom it applies:

    I was taught that you are given a great responsibilty to carry a gun and with that you must invoke upon yourself the highest sense of discretion. If you don't feel that every effort should be made to resolve a situation before pulling the trigger then you need your GFL revoked. When you applied for your GFL you are accepting that risk; you also need to accept the responsibility.

    GA seriously needs to require gun safety and situational training.
     
  16. wsweeks2

    wsweeks2 New Member

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    I agreed with everything in the post up until this. Nowhere in the right to bear arms does it mention training.

    Anyone choosing to carry a firearm or other deadly weapon has the personal responsibility that comes with it. That's the problem with this country - no one is held accountable anymore. When I made the decision to apply for my GFL, I took the time to research, research, and research some more as to the legality behind it. If something goes wrong it's my fault. Government involvment and mandates do nothing but inconvenience those who are responsable to begin with. Those who don't care won't care once they walk out of the classroom.
     
  17. ptsmith24

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  18. blind_shake

    blind_shake Active Member

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    Ya your right good point on the training part but man it sounds like there are a lot of people running around with guns without the the first clue what to do in a bad situation except BANG BANG BANG.
     
  19. Tinkerhell

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    More like there are just a lot of smart arses on the board that like to mouth off about shooting someone when they know perfectly well that they would not & that no one should.




    We should shoot those kinds of people.







    :lol: