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So you said to report for work on Monday correct?!? :lol:

Some people have all the luck!
 

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Very nice!!!


So, if a private citizen wanted something like the tracked ones, what would we have to save up to buy one?
 

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I saw SWAT and COBB POLICE on the back of one. I also noticed how they are paraded up and down main street in front of the very people who these machines will be used against. And my, how they do a great job of blowing up civilian cars.

Please tell me you sell some stuff to the military... I hate to see all that geared towards police.
 

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I saw SWAT and COBB POLICE on the back of one. I also noticed how they are paraded up and down main street in front of the very people who these machines will be used against. And my, how they do a great job of blowing up civilian cars.

Please tell me you sell some stuff to the military... I hate to see all that geared towards police.
The stuff that was blown up along with the stuff that did it was done by MY equipment. The parade video also shows MY equipment.

That’s the only real downside to a guessing I suppose…always the risk of somebody correcting you in front of the crowd :lol:

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Now that's cool. And here I thought you made processing equipment for the food industry
I do…this just happens to be one of my hobbies
 

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Very cool. I used to production weld M113's and Bradley's when i worked for FMC (now has a new name). I unfortunately didn't get to see much of the completed product. Looks like a lot of fun.
 

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That definitely is awesome!

I'm sure it looks a whole lot less awesome when that shows up to your house because you didn't comply with the Obamacare edict. Just saying.
 

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AV8R said:
I saw SWAT and COBB POLICE on the back of one. I also noticed how they are paraded up and down main street in front of the very people who these machines will be used against. And my, how they do a great job of blowing up civilian cars.

Please tell me you sell some stuff to the military... I hate to see all that geared towards police.
Police like to buy the stuff for their close/fast access. Usually it sits around and doesn't do anything.

I'm ambivalent on the idea of them having armor. When they need it, they need it, anything can be abused. However, given the market, you can buy them too. I have a Ferret and another vehicle project in the form of a Humber Armoured Car (not the Pig/wheeled APC). Our Humber, once we get the 37mm M6 gun up could have it's way with a police M114. Heck, a BMG Semi auto 50 with AP rounds could have it's way with ALL of the police level armoured vehicles. 7.62mm AP could likely as well depending on impact angle and area of impact. You can get Northern Ireland era up armoured Saracens that have 7.62 protection levels (Mark 6 versions).

30.06 M2 AP will penetrate 7/8-inch (22.23 mm) thick homogeneous armor plate at 100 yards. I'm not sure of the Alumium armor to RHA equivalence, but it's heavy weight to get 7.62mm AP protection all around. More so to get 12.7 or 14.5mm AP protection levels all around. There's a reason the strykers weigh as much as they do and thats with NEW ceramic armor modules added to the basic armor package.

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That definitely is awesome!

I'm sure it looks a whole lot less awesome when that shows up to your house because you didn't comply with the Obamacare edict. Just saying.
We can compare armor.

I would frankly RATHER see legislation passed which addresses police abuse on ANY avenue, not on the avenue of how they might abuse SWAT teams or Armored Vehicles.
 

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Ah, here it is. "Al-5xxx series aluminum offers a resistance of ~0.6 TE. This means that 100mm AL-5xxx will offer the equivalent to 60mm RHA." RHA being Rolled Homogenous Armor plate, aka steel armor plate.

Upper front and sides of an M114 are 1.25" That's equivalent to .75" of RHA or 19mm of RHA. The sides are vertical, the front obviously offers better protection levels given the angle of the front armor. The M2 as I said will go through 7/8" or 22mm of RHA at 100 yards. Closer is better.

These things are good for protection from small arms, lead bullets and the like. They take one up against someone with REAL AP ammo or a larger gun like a .50 BMG, they're possibly going to have some problems.
 

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Our Humber, once we get the 37mm M6 gun up could have it's way with a police M114. Heck, a BMG Semi auto 50 with AP rounds could have it's way with ALL of the police level armoured vehicles.
Now that the police know your intentions for having such a device, I doubt you'll have any legal troubles :lol:

Seriously though, in regards to armor,(eg. use of armor, capabilities of armor, what to do if engaging armor etc.) I've heard just about every story imaginable...keyword being "imaginable" :roll: I've personally witnessed as well as participated with the testing of different types of armor and projectiles intended on defeating this armor...nuff said about that :wink:

If you plan on engaging law enforcement for whatever reason, let's just say for the sake of argument that failure should never be ruled out as a likely outcome...but please don't take my word for it :lol:
 

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AV8R said:
I saw SWAT and COBB POLICE on the back of one. I also noticed how they are paraded up and down main street in front of the very people who these machines will be used against. And my, how they do a great job of blowing up civilian cars.

Please tell me you sell some stuff to the military... I hate to see all that geared towards police.
Quit whining.

All you seem to do is piss and moan about LE....Shut the hell up already.
 

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Now that the police know your intentions for having such a device, I doubt you'll have any legal troubles :lol:
Heh, hardly an example of intentions. 37mm AP was designed to deal with tanks of the very early part of WWII. It's simple technology. ~40mm caliber AT weapons substantially overmatch armor designed for shell fragments and small arms protection levels. I don't even need to read Jentz to know that.

Besides, police are more likely to misuse such than I am. It's my own equipment, paid for by me and my co-horts in our restoration group, not something provided by tax payers. Besides, it'd have to be a serious problem because I can't drive AND run a 37mm cannon at the same time. :righton:

More seriously, Ga law allows use of deadly force to stop forcible felonies, cops or not. This has been discussed before on this forum.

Seriously though, in regards to armor,(eg. use of armor, capabilities of armor, what to do if engaging armor etc.) I've heard just about every story imaginable...keyword being "imaginable" :roll: I've personally witnessed as well as participated with the testing of different types of armor and projectiles intended on defeating this armor...nuff said about that :wink:
Are you adding spall liners? I've seen some educated conjecture that expended airbags made of kevlar would make a nice supplemental spall liner for light AFVs. Spectra/Kevlar panels would work well too. And provide a sound absorption layer as well to help the reverberation within the vehicles.

If you plan on engaging law enforcement for whatever reason, let's just say for the sake of argument that failure should never be ruled out as a likely outcome...but please don't take my word for it :lol:
Lets _all_ hope that a GA Police SWAT team never use such a vehicle in an illegal and unwarranted way that they require citizens to fight back to bring them to heel. It'd be a bad day for Georgia. The botched no-knock by those APD officers was bad enough given that their warrant turned into felony murder and burglary charges with no lawful basis at all. It was bad for everyone all around but most of all the tax payers of Atlanta.

And sure, nothing is a sure thing, not where technology and combat is concerned. It's a matter of what they usually expect and plan to deal with and are prepared for. MOST people think an armored vehicle is proof against ALL threats. They're not. And protection levels for larger calibers with AP projectiles get heavy fast. Knowing something about armor and it's weaknesses ALSO makes for a different threat environment for the armor operators itself. I've also talked with some of the local SWAT guys. They don't have anything that can deal with a real military armored vehicle. It's just not in their plans or expected plans.

Besides, everyone LOVES Tank.
(Did you just call me a pussy communist? - Sheriff Buelton)
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wow...I just realized that I was shaking my head while reading that :lol:

I will post more videos as they come available, as some of the projects we're working on have been finished already, while others are still in various stages of completion.

As always, I'm glad that some of you enjoyed the video and also offer my sympathy to those of you who seem to have trouble dealing with it :p
 

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WGTactical said:
wow...I just realized that I was shaking my head while reading that .
:sly: Which part? That citizens might have something that can crack an armoured vehicle used by police? Or that police might actually stop being the police and become thugs as a group? Cause I can show more examples of police misbehaving with Armoured vehicles than you can show citizens with armoured vehicles they own misbehaving.

I stated before, I didn't have a problem because there parity. One friend of mine works with a group that operates a platoon of M5s, active guns, cannons and all. I know other people who have 37mm and 57mm anti-tank guns. It takes a $200 transfer tax. Not a one of them has stepped off the reservation. You can't say that about police can you.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of guarded trust. The police answer to the citizenry, or they're supposed to. You of all people should grasp that point.
 

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AV8R said:
I saw SWAT and COBB POLICE on the back of one. I also noticed how they are paraded up and down main street in front of the very people who these machines will be used against. And my, how they do a great job of blowing up civilian cars.

Please tell me you sell some stuff to the military... I hate to see all that geared towards police.
Quit whining.

All you seem to do is piss and moan about LE....Shut the hell up already.
:lol: Yeah, that's me... the resident LE basher. You're like my wife... selective hearing (er, reading in this case). She usually shuts me up with a nice BJ. You gonna do the same?
 
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