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http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp ... s/0313.htm

13-3102.01. Storage of deadly weapons; definitions

A. IF AN OPERATOR OF A PUBLIC ESTABLISHMENT OR A SPONSOR OF A PUBLIC EVENT REQUESTS THAT A PERSON CARRYING A DEADLY WEAPON REMOVE THE WEAPON, THE OPERATOR OR SPONSOR SHALL PROVIDE TEMPORARY AND SECURE STORAGE. THE STORAGE SHALL BE READILY ACCESSIBLE ON ENTRY INTO THE ESTABLISHMENT OR EVENT AND ALLOW FOR THE IMMEDIATE RETRIEVAL OF THE WEAPON ON EXIT FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT OR EVENT.
 

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Youngtown council may ban weapons.

. . . June Miller, who agrees with the ban, carries a concealed weapon for protection, but said she does not feel threatened at town council meetings and believes there is a time and place for everything
To accommodate concealed weapons owners and comply with the law, council members are proposing those individuals who visit any town building will need to place their guns into an individually locked storage receptacle, which would be made available to them upon exiting the premises.

But concealed weapons owners, like resident Ken Champagne, argued the proposed new policy would take away his Second Amendment rights and believes it is a personal attack on him.
Well, it is an attack on him!
 

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However, Mayor LeVault said the council should not wait until someone is shot on town premises’ before a policy is changed for the greater good of all residents.

“We owe it to the citizens to provide a safe environment,†he said.

Vice Mayor Larry Oglesby said he has a concealed weapons permit but chooses not to bring his gun to town meetings as protection from the Youngtown Police Department is directly across the parking lot.

With no policy in place banning firearms from town meetings, council member Margaret Chittenden said some residents prefer not to attend, adding that attitude has adversely affected council meeting attendance.

“We don’t want people to be afraid,†Ms. Chittenden said. “We need to protect everyone.â€
What is this, Newspeak? :? What is it they are dong to "protect everyone?"
 

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MP, they are thinking of the children!

Finally, my plea of "won't someone please think of the children" is being answered!

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MP, they are thinking of the children!

Finally, my plea of "won't someone please think of the children" is being answered!

:D
Have you noticed, whenever someone or some group wants to curtain the rights of others (booze, strippers, tobacco, sex toys, drugs, guns, porn, prostitutes, etc., etc.,) it's always for the protection of the children?

What ever happened to responsible parenting?


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Macktee, yes I have.

When Johns Creek became the newest city in Georgia their first action was to try to stop a porno shop from operating within city limits.

I was furious at what these people were claiming. They were using their children to say why the shop should not be there. It was disgusting and intellectually inconsistent with reality.

They said that children could get in there. Wrong. They can't even see in let alone get in. I sincerely wish I was not at school at the time so I could go to the city council meeting and address them. I wanted to tell them that this is not their duty to protect people from things. To legislate morality. They have a simple job. Most of all I wanted to tell them that if they do try to curtail the rights of others they would find a loud voice to always speak in opposition to them; one that would try to make sure their unseated at the next vote.
 

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Porno shops bring in all the perverts from all over - even out of state. It is ridiculous. I don't know about children getting into the store, but I sure would not want to attract these kind of people to my area.
 

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I don't know about children getting into the store, but I sure would not want to attract these kind of people to my area.
The problem is that it's not just YOUR area. It's the porno shop owner's area as well. This is private property and private individuals. You have no moral authority to tell them what they can do with their own property.
 

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Porno shops bring in all the perverts from all over - even out of state. It is ridiculous. I don't know about children getting into the store, but I sure would not want to attract these kind of people to my area.
You already have "these kind of people" in your neighborhood. If there were no market for porn, it wouldn't sell. But it does sell. In large quantities and to many types of people. Look at all the porn related web sites. Sites that charge people to look. They make money and lots of it. I believe porn DVD movies still outsell regular DVD movies by a wide margin.

Personally, I find it boring but I support any adult who wants to spend his or her money on the stuff. There are 10 amendments to the Constitution whicn constitute the Bill of Rights. Freedom of the press is in number one and it doesn't spell out only upstanding newspapers. "Penthouse" is protected just as much as "The New York Times" as well it should be!

If we allow people to minimize any of our rights, it won't be long until they come after others. Currently, the federal government is making an all-out attack on several in the name of anti-terror.

I believe we need the ACLU just as much as the NRA. :soapbox:
 

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"These kind of people"

:puke:

Having been a police officer in a jurisdiction where one of these places opened up, I am telling you that this is more than just a place where someone can rent some videos. I really cannot post here the kinds of things I encountered, but I assure you that you would not want these kind of people attracted from all over to your area, either, even if some porno shop owner owns a small parcel that is "his area."

By the way, I protected this place more than once, as the law allowed its operation. But there are some sick people out there.

As for these people already being around me - that may be, but I am confused by your argument that uses such an undesireable state as the premise for an argument that concludes I should desire even more of them?
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Odd argument.
 

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MP, it is unclear to me what sort of problems having "those people" around would bring.

Do no harm.

So long as they do not harm anyone else, who cares what they spank it to?
 

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Since everyone else has highjacked the thread...

Malum Prohibitum said:
...I really cannot post here the kinds of things I encountered...
Sure ya can. :wink:

I have some idea of what you are talking about & though I wouldn't want one of the seedie versions of these shops opening up in my neighborhood, I would have to stand up for the individuals right to open it up in an appropriately designated business area. Though I will say that none of the shops I've ever seen (mind you I'm not admitting to visiting any of them.... :oops: ) opened up in the swank, up scale section of town anyway. Normally they tend to be like fungus - they grow in places that are dark & wet and closed in, not out in the open in the sun...
 

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:puke:

So, anyway, there's this town in Arizona, and they are adopting this ordinance, and it has to do with carry . . .

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Well, Youngstown went and banned carry in their buildings.

http://www.newszap.com/articles/2007/01 ... y/sc01.txt

But at least they provide secure storage.

Town officials also do not plan to hire security guards to enforce the ban, but those in violation would be arrested, including individuals with concealed weapons permits, said Town Attorney Susan Goodwin.
In the simplest of terms, Mayor LeVault said Town Council should not have to wait for a tragedy before policy is changed.
We all know that making a new policy will be the cure for any hypothetical future tragedy. Note that there has never been a firearms related incident in Youngstown buildings, but I suppose if next year, there is, again, no incident, they will claim the ban was a "success."

Resident Mike Fehlig said all citizens should be able to come to meetings and not worry about being in danger.
The "feelings" of the collective outweigh the rights of the individual.

Councilwoman Margaret Chittenden said Youngtown is following the protocol of other Valley cities with similar weapons bans in place.
We should join the collective, the individual is unimportant.
 

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"With no policy in place banning firearms from town meetings, council member Margaret Chittenden said some residents prefer not to attend, adding that attitude has adversely affected council meeting attendance.

“We don’t want people to be afraid,†Ms. Chittenden said. “We need to protect everyone" "



This sounds like typical anti BS to me. Do the same people who choose not to attend because firearms are not banned, go to the grocery store? The mall? Out to eat? Do they drive down a hwy? These are all places that don't have policies banning firearms.
 

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http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/186214

The state House of Representatives has passed a bill that could be dangerous not only to the public but to every member of the Arizona Legislature. It could make it legal for citizens to enter City Hall or the Capitol armed with a loaded gun.
:shock:

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
 

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But the argument is diluted by the fact that every law enforcement agency in the state, and the Department of Public Safety in particular, has vehemently opposed this bill.
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