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March 14, 2007

Albany -- Five people have been shot in Albany in the last six days. That's frightening to the people who live here.

So much so, that many of them are buying guns and getting permits to carry them. Albany police insist, though, that violent crime is down.

Handgun sales have increased dramatically at Backwoods Outdoors. Gun salesman Frank Herndon told us, "People want to protect themselves. We have a lot of people who come in and buy the handguns from us and the holster, so they carry them concealed."

Frank Herndon is a former Albany Cop, and he says people are arming themselves. "The way crime has increased so much here lately, and there is more violent crime, you know robberies and shootings."

The proof can be found at the probate court office where there's a stack of applications for gun permits. Clerk Supervisor Gloria Newberry said, "Some of them come in make the comments about the crime that is going on. We've actually had, this lady said someone broke into her house, and that's why she came down."

More people have applied for concealed weapon permits in the first two weeks of March than the normal monthly average.

Since last Thursday five people have been shot in Albany, one fatally. But Police Chief James Younger says there's no cause for alarm. "I can understand why some people are concerned. But the fact is violent crime is down."

Younger says there were 54 violent crimes in January and February of this year, down from 94 in the same two months in 2006. "There are some crimes we can just not prevent. If people develop criminal intent, it's very difficult to deal with that in terms of developing a strategy to address people who have that mindset."

City Manager Alfred Lott says people in Albany are mistaken if they think violent crime is worse. "To tell people that things are just not as bad as they think in Albany, if they had that perception. Because the evidence says otherwise. We are working hard to do better.

But numbers and stats mean little to the people who hear news about shootings almost daily. Backwoods Outdoors is building a shooting range and will soon begin offering shooting lessons, because so many customers are requesting help in arming themselves.
 

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"There are some crimes we can just not prevent. If people develop criminal intent, it's very difficult to deal with that in terms of developing a strategy to address people who have that mindset."
But I thought tougher gun laws reduced crime, they even have statistics to support that.

Frank Herndon is a former Albany Cop, and he says people are arming themselves. "The way crime has increased so much here lately, and there is more violent crime, you know robberies and shootings."
Thats usually what I hear after I explain why I am carrying.
 

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Statistics?????

So, 5 people shot in the last six days. Wow, I was concerned that this is alarming, since they compared the first two months of this year to last year. I feel much better now knowing that the city manager beleives in his statisticle probability for not getting shot.
So if I do the math I guess there will only be 313 people shot this year, this takes into account that no shooting is allowed on Sunday. I'm sure the people of Albany will return their guns for a refund and sleep better knowing the cheif of police and city manager are statisticly watching out for their safety.
Take care :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
 

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The only comment I have is that when these type of things happen and lots of people suddenly go buy guns, I do kind of wish that Georgia residents HAVE to go to training before receiving a GFL.

I've been at some gun stores when a really naive person is looking at a gun and it's kind of scary to think that the person could be carrying it without any training whatsoever.

For example, I was at the range two weeks ago and an elderly gentleman came in with a few guns that he obviously had for some time...I got the chance to see them up close because his muzzle control was non-existent as he swept me an another guy when turning around. Not everyone is as careful or as knowledgeable as "we" are on this board.

Okay...gimme a sec to put on my flame-retardant pants.
 

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No flame

Training is a good thing. Required training is a usually smokescreen to hide an anti gun bias.
 

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I agree, ber950. Let them buy and carry. Tell them to tell their friends to buy and carry. This is another way the sheeple can be brought into the light about gun ownership and the right to protect oneself and one's family. :wink:
 

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That is why you need to print out flyers and drop them off at gun stores. That way we can educate the new gun owners.
 

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You have covered the spectrum, GS1. All valid points. I still say let 'em buy and hopefully carry. If only 1 person out of every 10 that buy on impulse (due to an increase in crime in their particular area) go on to carry for a lifetime, 'tis better than none. This may encourage another down the line to do the same.
 

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GAGunOwner said:
The only comment I have is that when these type of things happen and lots of people suddenly go buy guns, I do kind of wish that Georgia residents HAVE to go to training before receiving a GFL.

I've been at some gun stores when a really naive person is looking at a gun and it's kind of scary to think that the person could be carrying it without any training whatsoever.

For example, I was at the range two weeks ago and an elderly gentleman came in with a few guns that he obviously had for some time...I got the chance to see them up close because his muzzle control was non-existent as he swept me an another guy when turning around. Not everyone is as careful or as knowledgeable as "we" are on this board.

Okay...gimme a sec to put on my flame-retardant pants.
Let the flames begin!

1) I think the majority of the people that run out and get the GFL and pistol because of stories like this aren't usually motivated carriers and probably won't carry that often (or at all considering how long it can take to get the GFL). Once the histeria is over, they go back to "normal."

2) No matter how much training is required there will be idiots with guns. There are people like most of us who are compotent without mandated training and others (probably in some police departments) who have a lot of training and they make me cringe knowing they carry a gun (See: Some MARTA Cops and MARTA Security Guards).

3) Is there really a training problem in Georgia? Or is your position just a "feelgood" measure? Are GFL holders having a rash of negligent discharges in public? Are they shooting people without justification? I think that these situations are statistically nothing.

4) The 2nd Amendment isn't about what would be best, it says "shall not be infringed." A training requirement is clearly an infringement. This is the price of freedom. There will be some idiots with guns. In an ideal world, right or wrong, good or bad, the gov't simply has no authority to mandate training because of the 2nd Amendment. What happens if the gov't decides you are an "idiot" and don't need to be carrying a gun?

5) More hassles, like a training requirement, always lead to more restrictions. Plain and simple. The slippery slope continues. What if later the training gets longer or harder. What if they decide that you must get the same training just to buy the gun? What if the training becomes a several day thing costing hundreds of dollars? What about people having to (or not able to) miss work to go to mandated training? This would keep less wealthy people from being able to defend themselves even though they probably have a statistically greater need to defend themselves because of where they live. Very sucessful people work the most, they may not be able to take time off for mandated training.

6) What happens when you are up into your senior years and you can't pass the "training requirement" because of your age even though you know damned well how to pull the trigger on your revolver if you are attacked?

7) Modern pistols/revolvers are not rocket science or brain surgery. I always think it is amusing when people act like they are so complicated to use.
Great post GAGO.

We are fortunate in Georgia not to have such strict requirements to obtain our GFLs. (We just have to wait and wait and wait! :evil: ) I have heard of some states that require you to qualify with one pistol and then you are only allowed to carry the same gun that you qualify with.
 

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No Flame - but another point to consider

Yes, there will always be idiots with guns. But the percentage is way lower than the percentage of idiots with driver's licenses (at least in metro Atlanta). I have seen the people who don't know how to handle a firearm. I have been "swept" by people in ranges. But I still tend to agree that we do not need mandatory training to buy a gun.

I really like to see the knee jerk reaction to violent crime that causes people to run out and buy a gun for the first time. Why?? Because now this person has moved from being apathetic toward gun law to being a gun owner with a vested interest in what the state may do to affect their new property. In other words, they just came over to our side - or at least they have become potential supporters of our position.

Secondly, their purchase gives us a great opportunity to show them the little "secret" that we shooters share - shooting is fun!! Many of these new owners are not going to spring for NRA (or other) training right off the bat. But we can invite them to go with us to the range, give them basic instruction in the four rules, cleaning, and shooting, etc. and get them started. The fun part of shooting will infect them just as it has infected all of us. I have made this offer to every new gun owner I have met - go with me to the range and let's go shooting. Ammo and lane rental are on me your first trip. Several have taken me up on the offer and let me tell you, folks, it is sheer joy to see the transformation that comes when the person realizes that the metal in their hand is just like the drill or circular saw they have in their garage - a tool to be respected, but not feared. And that tool is just as indispensable as the drill when you need it, and just as much fun to use when you are practicing with it. As they get more into the shooting sport, the odds are that they will go for advanced training of some sort.

The best way to turn the attitude of an anti- or an apathetic fence-sitter around is to do it one person at a time. That is really our responsibility - to pass our love on to those around us and the next generation.

Excuse me for getting so long winded. I am off the box now :soapbox:
 

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and the people said AMEN
 

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ber950 said:
and the people said AMEN
Hallelujah to that Bretheren and Sisteren!!!

Now, it's time the pass the collection plate, or basket or hat or whatever vessel this particular "church" uses for that purpose.....

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Yup, I think that an empty ammo box would be appropriate for this congregation ... or even an open rifle case ... lol
 
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