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http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/201766427-story?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Sergeant Pickard said the department has a gun reduction task force in place. "Operation Whiplash" has allowed officers to move 1,300 guns off the streets since February, said Sergeant Pickard.
"Through processing those guns, we have been able to determine that 80% of them don't even belong in the city," said Sergeant Pickard. "They're stolen guns from all over the country, so we really have to do something about guns falling in the hands of bad guys."
"If our process is not working than we really need to ask for help from legislators to see what we can do to get these guns off the street," said Sergean Pickard.
Senator Vincent Fort said there has been a gun violence problem in Atlanta for a long time and adds that if it comes down to the Legislature being involved, he is on board, but said that the state ought to not pass anymore measures that make it more difficult to keep guns off the street.

"The state has passed measures to allow guns everywhere, in the last couple of years," said Senator Fort. "What I call the guns everywhere bill. The state has to be responsible and work with the city to keep guns off the streets, keep them out of the hands of criminals."
The Atlanta Police Department said they want to get their community partners in place and sit down to discuss what they can do about gun violence.
Break out the placards.

Edit: More info on "Operation Whiplash": http://www.georgiapacking.org/forum/showthread.php?t=270017&highlight=whiplash
 

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If they are stolen wouldn't you want to make some reasonable effort to return them to their owners? Like if person xxx says my firearm xxx with serial no. xxx was stolen be on the lookout.


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I'm missing the correlation between reducing the number of places that are off-limits to carry and the influx of stolen guns from outside of the state...
 

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Criminals use stolen guns? Who knew?
 

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My wife had a revolver stolen years ago and was contacted by APD. They had recovered it. She filed dozens of forms, visited APD, called, etc. They finally admitted they had destroyed the revolver 9-10 months AFTER she formally requested the return if her property.
 

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johnski said:
If they are stolen wouldn't you want to make some reasonable effort to return them to their owners?
Exactly. If they've been able to determine that 80% of what APD has been illegally holding is stolen, my question is how many per month has APD been able to return to their rightful owners?
 

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RedDawnTheMusical said:
I'm missing the correlation between reducing the number of places that are off-limits to carry and the influx of stolen guns from outside of the state...
Boolean Mode <click>

Let "A" be Sen. Fort's bandwagon efforts and anti-rights rhetoric
A <== Sen. Fort will rail​

Let "B" be the "reverse iron pipeline" of stolen guns entering Georgia
A + B <== Sen. Fort railing occurs as stolen guns enter Georgia​

But Sen. Fort notices and rails about it too
A + AB <== Sen. Fort railing about stolen guns entering Georgia among other rhetoric​

Meanwhile...
Let "C" be the number of legal carriers exercising their rights
Let "D" be the deterrent effect on crime arising from self-defense
Let "E" be the community effects arising from legal guns "everywhere"
E = CD <== Net effect of legal carriers within a community​

Leaves us with
A + AB + E​

Sen. Fort notices that too and rails against it, not because of the net community effect which results, but rather merely because an effect exists
A + AB + AE <== Sen. Fort also rails about "reverse pipeline everywhere"​

Distributive Law:
A + A(B + E) <== Sen. Fort railing about something​

Absorption Law:
A + A(B + E) = A​

∴ Sen. Fort will rail against of the actions of legal carriers regardless

Let "F" be "Fort-Orrockian" arithmetic wherein (2 + 2) / 9 million = 397% when your grandchildren are answering polls at the bar
Let "G" be the grassroots legislative efforts of the citizenry itself (such as GCO)
So....
AB + AF(C + D + E) + AF(E) <== Sen. Fort trying to get more places off-limits because of stolen guns and legal carriers​

Substitution:
AB + AF(C + D + CD) + AF(CD)​

Distributive Law:
AB + AF((C + D + CD) + CD)​

Associative Law:
AB + AF(C + D + CD + CD)​

Commutative Law:
AB + AF(C + CD + D + CD)​

Associative Law:
AB + AF(CD + C + CD + D)​

But legal carriers do not buy / use / import / etc stolen guns...
AB + AF(0D + 0 + 0D + D)​
AB + AF(D) <== Sen. Fort railing about stolen guns, and applying Fort-Orrockian arithmetic to the deterrent effects of self-defense everywhere​

Distributive Law:
A(B + F(D))​

We know from prior proofs that the single most unique feature of Fort-Orrockian arithmetic is that is always produces a meaningless result, so substituting...
A(B + 0(D))​
A(B + 0)​
A(B)​
AB​

∴ Sen. Fort is merely railing about the "reverse iron pipeline" REGARDLESS of the actions of legal carriers or the effect the actions of legal carriers have within the community

So to answer your question RDTM, there IS no correlation.

Furthermore, since we've all been alerted to the "Iron Pipeline" of "illegal guns constantly leaving Georgia", any influx is overwhelmingly "netted out" by the "rivers of stolen guns" leaving the State.
 

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"The state has passed measures to allow guns everywhere, in the last couple of years," said Senator Fort. "What I call the guns everywhere bill. The state has to be responsible and work with the city to keep guns off the streets, keep them out of the hands of criminals."
Maybe the real issue isn't "guns in the streets." Maybe the real issue is gang violence. Whataya think about that, Senator Fort? How about trying to deal with the cause of the problem instead of the symptom? But we all know it's much easier for politicians to deal with misdirection. After all, it's kind of like having built-in job security, isn't it?
 

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"What I call the guns everywhere bill. The state has to be responsible and work with the city to keep guns off the streets, keep them out of the hands of criminals."
:-k

But legal carriers do not buy / use / import / etc stolen guns...
AB + AF(0D + 0 + 0D + D)​
The "Guns Everywhere" Act did not (and does not) apply to criminals importing stolen firearms, neither does it "enable" any such thing, Mr. Fort.
 

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If 80% of APD's impound lots were filled with stolen motor vehicles, would Sen. Fort try to shut down the freeways?


...gotta keep all them stolen cars off the streets...
...all those illegal cars and stolen vehicles should be destroyed instead of returned...
...our road system and open freeways encourage criminals to bring stolen vehicles here...
...instead of shutting down where criminals can drive cars, they're adding lanes and expanding existing roadways...
...you can buy a stolen car right off the interwebznet with nothing more than a stolen credit card...
 

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If 80% of APD's impound lots were filled with stolen motor vehicles, would Sen. Fort try to shut down the freeways?
"The state has passed measures to allow cars everywhere, in the last couple of years," said Senator Fort. "What I call the cars everywhere bill. The state has to be responsible and work with the city to keep cars off the streets, keep them out of the hands of criminals."
 

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There's a study for the next round of "gun deaths" numbers. After accounting for suicides, self defense shootings, and suicide by officer, and accidents, what percentage of the remaining "gun deaths" involved legally* obtained firearms.

*Private transaction, dealer sales, inherited, or gifted to a non-prohibited person
 

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Sen. Vincent Fort's solution is to have guns made illegal in more off limits locations, meaning you will have to leave the gun in the car where it can be stolen.

I have had three pistols stolen from my vehicle. I had a fourth stolen from a vehicle when a relative borrowed the vehicle.

I have never had a pistol stolen from my holster. Not even in a government building.

I am confused by Sen. Fort's logic.
 

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Sen. Vincent Fort's solution is to have guns made illegal in more off limits locations, meaning you will have to leave the gun in the car where it can be stolen.

I have had three pistols stolen from my vehicle. I had a fourth stolen from a vehicle when a relative borrowed the vehicle.

I have never had a pistol stolen from my holster. Not even in a government building.

I am confused by Sen. Fort's logic.
Logic? It's AGENDA, not logic!
 

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Maybe the real issue isn't "guns in the streets." Maybe the real issue is gang violence. Whataya think about that, Senator Fort? How about trying to deal with the cause of the problem instead of the symptom? But we all know it's much easier for politicians to deal with misdirection. After all, it's kind of like having built-in job security, isn't it?
Or, more succinctly, the problem is recidivism(repeated or habitual relapse, as into crime). For example, the US Dept of Justice once tracked the re-arrest, re-conviction, and re-incarceration of former inmates for 3 years after their release from prisons in 15 states in 1994.

The 272,111 offenders discharged in 1994 had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recidivism#Recidivism_rates

But remarkably, many re-offenders are re-offending and re-arrested and re-convicted when they should have been serving jail sentences for their previous convictions, if those jail sentences weren't shortened or changed into stints of parole/probation. It is frequent that convicts go through several cycles of this, yet the conviction/release/re-conviction cycle continues.
Think of it this way, how frequently do we read of news reports of violent crime where the perpetrator hasn't had multiple convictions of violent crimes?
 

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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atl...s-from-getting-into-the-wrong-hands/446130989

Police have a message for gun owners. They believe many of the guns they have confiscated were stolen from innocent people, then used to commit crimes.

Officers told Channel 2's Nefertiti Jaquez they hope a new video will keep guns out of the wrong hands.

The department is rolling out a new public service announcement because they're trying to persuade people to keep their weapons at home, in a secure place.
In 2015, police say 857 guns were taken and since January of this year, 633 have been stolen. That's why the department is rolling out a new public service announcement.
Well that comes up to less than 80% but it's in the ballpark. Plus those are hard numbers, and of the 224 some just were never reported stolen. What I would be interested in knowing is how many of the stolen ones were from gun shop break-ins.

Now police are hoping the new video will keep guns out of the wrong hands:

"We are simply trying to minimize the guns that fall in the hands of bad guys," Pickard said.
 
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