Anyone own a Kel Tec PF-9 or P-11

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by dcannon1, Jan 27, 2011.

  1. dcannon1

    dcannon1 New Member

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    Thinking about picking up one or the other as a backup to my Glock 26 and occasional primary carry for shorts weather. Anyone have any experience with them?

    I'm going to try to rent one before making a decision, but thought I'd see if anyone had any experience with them here.

    I've owned a P3AT before and more or less liked the gun, just didn't like the .380.

    If you don't like the PF-9 or P-11 are there any other small pistols you would recommend as a backup sized gun in 9mm (not interested in going down to .380 or .32)?
     
  2. jmathis84

    jmathis84 New Member

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    I have been intrested in the PF-9 myself. I would want to find out a little more about them as well. Had the p3at an dit was a jam-o-matic so I been leary of Kel -tec ever since but I like the look of the pf-9
     

  3. Suprman

    Suprman New Member

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    a good friend has a PF9 and i was looking at buying one or a p11, after i shot the PF9 a few times, i just didn't like it. Decided to look for a Kahr PM9.

    Ended up getting a PM40 for a good price, and i love it. my primary is a glock 23 so it works out well for me and the pm40 is easier to shoot then the pf9 if you could believe that. still want a pm9 as i'm sure it has next to no felt recoil if the PM40 is so smooth.
     
  4. dcannon1

    dcannon1 New Member

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    Good bit of a price difference in the Kel Tec's and Kahr's though. If I was going to drop that kind of cash on a small 9mm I would probably do a Kimber Solo.
     
  5. SW_Sigma

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    I had a P-11, sold it to a forum member here...LOVED the carry-ability of it...wasnt too thrilled about the excessively long trigger, so it wasnt too much fun at the range, but...its not a range gun...the P-11 is a little bigger than the PF-9...in the end i sold it to help fund another glock.

    For the money, and for the intent, the kel tec pocket 9s are a great deal...dont forget to do a fluff and buff!
     
  6. GAGunOwner

    GAGunOwner Active Member

    Have the P-11 9mm. Great carry gun. I recommend it. Trigger takes some time to get used to. Not a range gun.
     
  7. xls177

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    Pf9 are good easy to conceal. thin and light
    I think the taurus pt709 has a better trigger and double strike
    http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-PT709.htm

    I don't think solo The kimber solo is in the same category it is wider then a glock

    SPECIFICATIONS for Solo Carry (Two Tone Model #3900001)

    * Caliber: 9 mm
    * Height (inches): 3.9
    * Weight (ounces) with empty magazine: 17
    * Length (inches): 5.5
    * Magazine capacity: 6
    * Width (inches): 1.2

    Glock

    Length (slide)6.29 in.

    Height 2)4.17 in.

    Width 1.18 in.

    Magazine capacity 10

    weight 19.75 oz.

    Empty magazine 1.98 oz.


    Trigger pull (standard)~5.5 lbs.
    Trigger travel for discharge 0.5 in.
     
  8. ookoshi

    ookoshi Moderator

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    I bought a PF-9 new, sold it a week later.

    In addition to being picky about ammo, which was annoying but not a deal breaker, it had a terrible trigger pull and hurt your hand to practice with. Now, in a gunfight a big kick isn't going to matter for 8 rounds or so, but you have to get accurate through practice, and I've never met a gun I was less excited about practicing with than the PF-9. It wasn't that much more concealable than a G26, IMO, at least not enough to make me want to carry it. I ended up going with one of the pocket .380's (specifically, the Taurus TCP) for me to deep conceal with because I had so many better options in that caliber than the PF-9.
     
  9. dlapin4

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    Had a Kel-Tec P11 for a couple of years. Never had any failures of any kind but never could get used to the trigger - finally sold it.

    Bought a Taurus PT709 and was really hopeful but it spent more time at the factory than with me. They finally sent me a brand new weapon but the rear sight was ramped at an angle right from Taurus. Did not take it, had my money returned.

    Kahr PM9!
    Best price I found was on-line at Guns America through the Florida Gun Exchange - $549.00 brand new! Everywhere local was in the upper $600's to $700's.
     
  10. dcannon1

    dcannon1 New Member

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    Hmm for some reason I thought the Solo was thinner than that. I guess it's the use of non integrated grips that adds a little extra width to it. So that's out, especially for the price.

    I've heard mixed reviews of the Taurus PT709's.

    From the feedback I'm getting it looks like I might just have to suck it up and save for a PM9 as it seems like it's the best in class for a thin, sub-compact 9.

    Right now I carry a 26 all the time, but I have to deal with a bunch of clients during the day that might not be gun friendly, so I wanted something that was thinner and could be pocket carried with larger pockets (I can get the 26 in most of my pockets, but it's hardly concealed).
     
  11. Suprman

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    might also look into the CM9 which is supposed to be a PM9 without the unneeded bells and whistles at around $400 estimated price.

    might be what i get to keep my pm40 company.
     
  12. dcannon1

    dcannon1 New Member

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    Are those out yet?
     
  13. Suprman

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    I believe they will be coming out in March or April
     
  14. kineticmind

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    My first carry pistol was a P11, and it's an excellent little gun when it comes to reliability and price. I've never had a FTE, FTF, or any other malfunction in mine, but I also make sure to stay away from cheap ammo or reloads from unknown sources. I'd also go easy with +P rounds, unless you're just testing out defense ammo... in which case it won't be a problem. Some people aren't very fond of the long and heavy trigger pull, but I found it to be alright after practicing with it. It will chew your thumb up on your shooting hand after 50-100 rounds but, then again, it's not really made for target practice. So just keep in mind that it's not a range gun, and as long as you're not realistically expecting to be a marksman with it at 25+ yards, it'll serve it's purpose well.

    If you do decide to buy one, I highly recommend getting a pinky extension for every magazine you carry. The grip is a bit awkward without one, especially if you have larger hands. With the extension I found it a lot more comfortable to shoot, and a little more accurate.

    There's plenty of good info at these sites:

    http://www.ktog.org/
    http://www.ktrange.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=4&sid=5ea3d9caf33e1b9f066f70669518844e
     
  15. 1str8shot

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    my father has both. we both like the p11 better.
     
  16. JiG

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    I love my PF-9, but I recognize it for what it is.

    Trigger pull is long, but considering the likely distance I'd be using it, its not a problem. It's for up close social work. No more.

    Carry is light. I always have the PF-9 because it is so handy. First rule of carry, have something.

    Ammo, I've been using Federal EFMJs and they have been flawless as has the pistol. YMMV.

    Price: Great for what you get.

    I give it two thumbs up.
     
  17. niadhf

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    i have a P-11. Have had for about 3 years. I love it. I almost sold it after getting a M&P9c, but held on to it. Now i am glad. Am going to seel that M&P soon instead.
    Due to work related issues with carrying (company policy is against) i carry either it or a Snubby .38/.357. Each I can deep conceal. Both triggers are similar (although snubby is a little lighter pull.)

    I did a pretty extensive F&B when i got it. Made a big difference in trigger and hold. Got Hand-all JR grips, and Pinky extension for 2 of the 3 mags. Now it feels almost as right as my Officer's size 1911.

    I have had One FTFeed in about 500 rounds. i was NOT the one using the pistol at the time, and they are suceptable to limp wristing.

    I used this pistol to compete in IDPA, and still would (as it is one of my main carry firearms) except that i have a hard time dry firing it against the Man recomendations. I don't want to have that firing pin break at an inoportune moment. Like when i NEED it.

    I also found that the factory trigger without aluminum trigger shoe did 2 things. Pinched the end of my finger, and SLAPPED hard after shooting (also a polymer trigger) The shoe fixed both of these and made it a noticabley nicer gun to shoot. Trigger time is a must for shooting it well. I had 2 Dead center in a moving target on that IDPA shoot.

    Can't tell you anything about the PF9 though. My feeling was, for the size diff, i would take the extra rounds.

    Good luck.
     
  18. Hock25

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    I have two PF9s, both flawless and accurate. No fluff/buff, and no "break-in" like Kahrs. There is no thinner 9mm mass-produced, period. My normal carry is one of four XDs, but when I need to conceal only, for all day, it's going to be a PF9.

    Also, the Kahr PM9 officially calls for thumbing the slide-lock, which Kahr refers to as a slide-release, to put the gun into battery. This is a bad muscle memory habit, IMO, unless the only gun you ever carry is a Kahr. When my son and I shot a friend's PM9, we each had several failures, including having to push the slide forward into battery to complete the feed. No, thank you. When is a gun broken-in? How does one know? For 600+ clams, it shouldn't need anything.

    The Kel-tec PF9 just needs a cursory cleaning, and it's ready for duty. It kicks alot and hurts my index finger. No matter, since it's very accurate and not a range gun.
     
  19. niadhf

    niadhf New Member

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    Try the trigger shoe. Helped a LOT on my P-11.
     
  20. JockeyShifter

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    I have a Keltec P32, PF9 , P11 , Solo, PPK, and a sweet 1903 Colt hammerless, all similar small pocket guns.
    We took all of these guns to the range Tuesday as well as a new Glock 23.

    Sniper and I shot this lot of guns all for the first time except for the PPK.

    Here is how I saw their performance.

    Kimber Solo, by far the best, excellent trigger pull, lots of power. This gun looks chunky but it is no where as blocky as a small Glock.
    Simply, Kimber got this gun right!!

    (the Glock 23 was a larger 40 so I can't compare it fairly, it was just another new gun to test)

    1903 Colt hammerless 32 acp, a 1917 Browning sweet sweet gun, very very accurate.

    Walther PPK (I like it a lot, it is too small for sniper's grip)

    Keltec P32- nice trigger

    PF-9 and P-11 were the two dogs in the bunch (to me) the trigger pull is really awkward and untuned , at least the trigger pull seems wayyy long)
    Both shot good but the triggers in the two 9mm Keltecs was bizarre.
    P11 won out over the PF9