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I just don't have the attention span for 12 pages of analysis.
 

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he lost me here......not just the "anyone how" instead of "who", but the entire paragraph

"First and foremost, understand that I am writing in response to articles I have read about the incident. Anyone how has achieved professional status in the criminal justice system will attest that it’s very difficult to make conclusive, correct judgments regarding cases about which they have no direct knowledge, as I, and virtually everyone writing about this case, do not. However, professional knowledge of policy and procedure might help others to better understand the issues surrounding such cases."
 

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he lost me here......not just the "anyone how" instead of "who", but the entire paragraph

"First and foremost, understand that I am writing in response to articles I have read about the incident. Anyone how has achieved professional status in the criminal justice system will attest that it’s very difficult to make conclusive, correct judgments regarding cases about which they have no direct knowledge, as I, and virtually everyone writing about this case, do not. However, professional knowledge of policy and procedure might help others to better understand the issues surrounding such cases."
Can you contradict yourself anymore in one paragraph?
 

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Erik wasn't shot four times in the back was he?

Once the first shot was fired, the other officers may have opened fire sympathetically rather than because of any observable reason for shooting, and may not, in fact, have known, at the time they began pulling the trigger, who fired the first round. Even if they were entirely justified in every shot fired, the four or more shots into the back of a man already dead or dying and face down on the ground, particularly if he had no weapon in his hands or within easy reach does not--at best--speak well of the officers, their training, or their agency, and it is surely a public relations disaster.
The author was speaking hypothetical, right? I haven't read that anywhere, so I'm guessing he's just speaking hypothetically.

Isn't the autopsy report supposed to be coming out soon?
 

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Erik wasn't shot four times in the back was he?

Once the first shot was fired, the other officers may have opened fire sympathetically rather than because of any observable reason for shooting, and may not, in fact, have known, at the time they began pulling the trigger, who fired the first round. Even if they were entirely justified in every shot fired, the four or more shots into the back of a man already dead or dying and face down on the ground, particularly if he had no weapon in his hands or within easy reach does not--at best--speak well of the officers, their training, or their agency, and it is surely a public relations disaster.
The author was speaking hypothetical, right? I haven't read that anywhere, so I'm guessing he's just speaking hypothetically.

Isn't the autopsy report supposed to be coming out soon?
http://erikbscottmemorialblog.blogspot.com/
Truth: My son, Erik, was shot seven times by Metro officers Mosher, Stark and Mendiola. Four, possibly five, of those shots were into Erik's back. That fifth round was in the armpit area, making it difficult to determine whether it was fired from the front or back. In any event, the wound virtually proves Erik had that hand up, above his head, when he took a round in the armpit.
Two of our team's investigators, a trauma specialist and a practicing physician, physically examined Erik's body on July 18th, carefully mapping the entry wounds on his chest and back. There were no exit wounds, thanks to the hollow-point, mushrooming rounds cops use in Vegas. Consequently, we have confirmed that my son was shot at least four times in the back, while he was lying on the ground, bleeding to death. The first shot, taken in the chest, killed Erik, but the three officers still considered that dying young man a threat. Incredible.
 

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EJR914 said:
Erik wasn't shot four times in the back was he?

Once the first shot was fired, the other officers may have opened fire sympathetically rather than because of any observable reason for shooting, and may not, in fact, have known, at the time they began pulling the trigger, who fired the first round. Even if they were entirely justified in every shot fired, the four or more shots into the back of a man already dead or dying and face down on the ground, particularly if he had no weapon in his hands or within easy reach does not--at best--speak well of the officers, their training, or their agency, and it is surely a public relations disaster.
The author was speaking hypothetical, right? I haven't read that anywhere, so I'm guessing he's just speaking hypothetically.

Isn't the autopsy report supposed to be coming out soon?
http://erikbscottmemorialblog.blogspot.com/
[quote:35k6c5ir]Truth: My son, Erik, was shot seven times by Metro officers Mosher, Stark and Mendiola. Four, possibly five, of those shots were into Erik's back. That fifth round was in the armpit area, making it difficult to determine whether it was fired from the front or back. In any event, the wound virtually proves Erik had that hand up, above his head, when he took a round in the armpit.
Two of our team's investigators, a trauma specialist and a practicing physician, physically examined Erik's body on July 18th, carefully mapping the entry wounds on his chest and back. There were no exit wounds, thanks to the hollow-point, mushrooming rounds cops use in Vegas. Consequently, we have confirmed that my son was shot at least four times in the back, while he was lying on the ground, bleeding to death. The first shot, taken in the chest, killed Erik, but the three officers still considered that dying young man a threat. Incredible.
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Wow! :shock: Shooting someone in the back, when on the ground dying is usually a huge no-no, unless there is a gun in their hand and they are still pointing it at officers. I wonder if these officers will be treated the same was as when a licensed citizen did something like that.

Interesting blog to say the least.
 

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Wow! :shock: Shooting someone in the back, when on the ground dying is usually a huge no-no, unless there is a gun in their hand and they are still pointing it at officers. I wonder if these officers will be treated the same was as when a licensed citizen did something like that.

Interesting blog to say the least.
You know better than that man. These cops will keep their jobs because the office and brotherhood will protect them. I beg that these cops get tossed in prison for murder or manslaughter. this wasn't a deadly threat case, this was 3 officers who were HOPING to pull the trigger. Just giving the hypothetical above, that the other officers sympathically started pulling the trigger, just makes sense that they had their adrenaline pumping and became high strung. I'd like to see pictures of the cops.
 

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Heres my problem:

The duty of every officer to tell the truth and to maintain an unbreakable chain of all relevant evidence should go without saying. In this case, surely all witnesses should have been quickly identified and complete statements taken--there were certainly sufficient officers present for that task. All possible video records should have been taken and scrupulously protected. And of course, an attempt to discover if any civilian video was shot should have been made, and if so, the devices should have been taken into evidence with appropriate receipts given to the owners. The officers involved in the shooting should have been immediately relieved of the weapons used in the shooting and other duty weapons issued to them. They should have been immediately separated and individually interviewed, on videotape. If they did not obtain an attorney before speaking with their own investigators, even if they were absolutely blameless, they are fools. In professional, honest law enforcement agencies, officers involved in shootings are criminal suspects unless the facts prove otherwise, and they must expect to be treated that way.
Ok so... let me get this straight. I'm supposed to turn over incriminating evidence to the exact same officers who shot him even if that footage would prove that these officers murdered this man? Sorry folks but not happening. As much as I tell you guys that these leo's should be charged with murder if found guilty, I'm not bashing on LEO's or dislike them at all.

I live in a county in which the Good Ole boy system exists. We're not talking simple stuff, we're talking they cover up each others tracks by any means necessary and its been proben time and time again, yet those very same people are still in the department. Its a FACT that FCSO deputies have bullied and intimidated citizens and have gone to some great extreme to cover up simple stuff such as using city computers to look at porn, buy sex toys, surf the web and the list went on. When certain people went to seize the servers in which all this data was on, the servers had been replaced with backups and the original servers weren't ever found. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with LE IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY HONEST IN THEIR JOBS!! I can understand lying to perps to get them to confess, I can understand shooting a criminal if it comes to having to do that. But alot of LEA's are ran in a mafia style manner.

I can only contest to what we see in Forsyth County. By no means am I trying to hi-jack this thread, I'm just responding to what this guy wrote in his article, and if truly these are the protocols that LEO's follow then holding them responsible for their unlawful actions will be impossible, because they collect the evidence, they question the witnesses, and they write up the reports. As long as THEY control every aspect of the investigation, then how will Eriks death have any type of closure or justice? I will personally apologize to these officers if they're found to be innocent by video proof that Erik in fact made a bad move. But any statements and reports written in Eriks favor by any of them.. don't hold your breath..

We as citizens of the United State of America, we don't need more governing. Our government needs more governing. Our local LEO's and departments need to be governed the most.
 

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The Erik Scott Shooting: Update 2

responds to comments/criticisms in the original post: http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/306043.php

I watched the opening remarks at the inquest yesterday, and from that I gather the govt's case is to characterize Scott as a drug addict. At one point they implied that he should have been dead from the amount of Xanax, morphine or morphine derivatives in his system. I didn't have the time to watch more, so I didn't hear any testimony.
 

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Re: The Erik Scott Shooting: Update 2

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responds to comments/criticisms in the original post: http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/306043.php

I watched the opening remarks at the inquest yesterday, and from that I gather the govt's case is to characterize Scott as a drug addict. At one point they implied that he should have been dead from the amount of Xanax, morphine or morphine derivatives in his system. I didn't have the time to watch more, so I didn't hear any testimony.
if that is in fact true it could change the ball game entirely, but even so that doesn't mean he went down like the incredible hulk. Those drugs don't make you a raging death path lunatic..

what this means is they have nothing else to go on for the reason the cops shot him. Now they shot him because he was dosed out on xanax and morphine... Seems like they're trying to draw a dark picture of his drug issues if he had any to pertray him as a bad charcter or a drug abuser to the public to gain control of any public opinions of them. It's a fact that if you take 2 citizens, shoot both of them one of the citizens is the perfect citizen which would provide large amounts of public outrage and attention. The second citizen is a drug abuser and shot int he same style and for the same reason, public will automatically relate the drug abuse to the shooting and start to assume it was justifiable because the citizen was under the influence of drugs...
 

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Ignoring the reckless and retarded behavior of the store (based on the account written in the log), I see a couple of issues that this hinges on:
1) Did Erik make a move outside the store that a reasonable person would perceive as threatening (e.g. reaching for his gun) and, if so, was this movement caused by instructions from the officers (e.g. "hand over your weapon"). The later wouldn't seem likely, but only legal discovery and trial testimony from witnesses are likely to provide a clear picture.
2) Over-agression after firing the first couple of rounds: I doubt that go badly for the officers. From their perspective they could argue that they new he was armed, he made what they perceived to be an gressive movement for the firearm, there was a lot of adrenilan, etc., etc. Of course, if it was one of us and we unloaded a mag that included to the shots to the back, we'd have the making of a great "Law & Order" episode about armed citizens being the root of all evil.
 

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Re: The Erik Scott Shooting: Update 2

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responds to comments/criticisms in the original post: http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/306043.php

I watched the opening remarks at the inquest yesterday, and from that I gather the govt's case is to characterize Scott as a drug addict. At one point they implied that he should have been dead from the amount of Xanax, morphine or morphine derivatives in his system. I didn't have the time to watch more, so I didn't hear any testimony.
To be honest, I found it strange that I have a very similar, if not worse back condition than he had. I know the pain, and I know how sometimes you have to, as in forced to take drugs just to get out and walk during the day. I think its wrong of them to try to ruin his character by painting him as a drug addict, but to be honest, its very predictable. I was told this is how things were done and how things operated when I was dealing with my situation. I was told to sue them, but that my name would be dragged through the mud in the process. It appears this is SOP for this sort of thing. To be honest, its disgusting. Especially when somehow the video just magically isn't usable and all the backup of the videos failed as well. To me, it really looks like the height of corruption.

Its really a sad situation for our legal system, the status of authorities in that area, and for the family.

Since the video is all now unusable, I doubt we'll ever get to see or know what really happened.

All we have now is speculation.
 

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mono no aware said:
responds to comments/criticisms in the original post: http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/306043.php

I watched the opening remarks at the inquest yesterday, and from that I gather the govt's case is to characterize Scott as a drug addict. At one point they implied that he should have been dead from the amount of Xanax, morphine or morphine derivatives in his system. I didn't have the time to watch more, so I didn't hear any testimony.
To be honest, I found it strange that I have a very similar, if not worse back condition than he had. I know the pain, and I know how sometimes you have to, as in forced to take drugs just to get out and walk during the day. I think its wrong of them to try to ruin his character by painting him as a drug addict, but to be honest, its very predictable. I was told this is how things were done and how things operated when I was dealing with my situation. I was told to sue them, but that my name would be dragged through the mud in the process. It appears this is SOP for this sort of thing. To be honest, its disgusting. Especially when somehow the video just magically isn't usable and all the backup of the videos failed as well. To me, it really looks like the height of corruption.

Its really a sad situation for our legal system, the status of authorities in that area, and for the family.

Since the video is all now unusable, I doubt we'll ever get to see or know what really happened.

All we have now is speculation.
Which is what they want. Someone cant be found guilty just on speculation..
 

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Creating reasonable doubt, helps as well.
 

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Has anyone seen the first deputy who fired a shot? For some reason he has that "I'm a badass atitude look".

"At that point, fearing for my safety, fearing for the safety of the other officers, and more importantly, fearing for the safety of the numerous citizens, including children that were in that area, I fired my weapon at center body mass," Mosher said.
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In 2006, Mosher shot a man who he said was ramming a police car.

"Based on the fact that my backup officer was probably going to lose his life, if he didn't get run over by the vehicle, I made a decision to fire at the suspect," Mosher said of the 2006 shooting.
:sly: :sly: :sly:

But heres the kicker:

"He was told to drop the gun, and he did exactly that," Goodman said. "You heard from the detective before that the only evidence on the ground was a blackberry phone (and) a kimber-45 (handgun) still within the holster."
So the officer states that Erik DIDN'T drop the gun when told to do so. But theonly evidence that was on the ground was the phone and a holstered handgun.. So if he had a gun in his hand.. it would have been on the ground unholstered laying next to the body. This to me sounds as if Erik removed the holsterd weapon from his side and they placed 6 shots into him while the gun was never a threat to anyone at that point. I wasn't there but based on the detectives testimony it looks like these murderers in fact shot Erik in a adrenaline rushed shooting, and now they're scrambling to cover it up by making Erik out to be this drug abuser, mean, angry guy who threatens to kill hsi neighbor and dog because the dog bit Erik. No one has taken the stand EXCEPT the witnesses that the sheriffs department has wanted to take the stand which is either paid off, intimidated, or seriously had no F'ing clue what happened that day, they just want to be on Tv.
 

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the Costco surveillance video recordings (or the store’s “critical cameras,†if we’re to believe Sheriff Gillespie’s latest comments) were “unusable,†thanks to a mysterious hard-disk “glitch.â€
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http://erikbscottmemorialblog.blogspot.com/
 

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Re: The Erik Scott Shooting: Update 2

mono no aware said:
responds to comments/criticisms in the original post: http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/306043.php

I watched the opening remarks at the inquest yesterday, and from that I gather the govt's case is to characterize Scott as a drug addict. At one point they implied that he should have been dead from the amount of Xanax, morphine or morphine derivatives in his system. I didn't have the time to watch more, so I didn't hear any testimony.
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25144746/detail.html
The coroner’s inquest into the shooting death of Erik Scott has given many Las Vegans their first glimpse at what happens after police officers pull the trigger in the line of duty.

Regardless of the outcome, there’s no question things will change moving forward.
 

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http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25139944/detail.html

Mosher has been on administrative leave since the July 10 shooting outside a Summerlin Costco that left Scott, 38, dead.

When asked during his testimony if he would have done anything differently, Mosher responded, "No. Absolutely not."
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Mosher said that Scott then pulled a gun and aimed it at Mosher and two other police officers.

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"He was told to drop the gun, and he did exactly that," Goodman said. "You heard from the detective before that the only evidence on the ground was a blackberry phone (and) a kimber-45 (handgun) still within the holster."
Video at the link of officer's testimony
 

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This is the part I 100% agree with

Don’t believe it. I don’t. Any digital security-video system deployed by a $73-billion-per-year corporation that ranks Number 25 on the Fortune 500 list will have multiple hard-disk backups onsite. Further, the video will be streamed offsite to a remote storage location. I guarantee there’s an unadulterated copy of that video somewhere, but Metro will not allow it to be seen by the family, our attorney, Ross Goodman, or Las Vegas citizens
I work in the Banking Point of Sale industry. I've installed some sophisticated Hw in some of the worlds biggest players such as Walmart, Home Depot, Pet Smart, Burger Kings, And the list is endless. One thing I can tel you they had some VERY VERY nice security equipment and even the security guy told me that for every Hd recording there was 2 copies being stored else where for civil purposes such as lawsuits like slip and falls, or anything the company could be sued for. These companys CYA because lawsuits are a dime a dozen nowadays. Theres copies of this video some where and the only people who know is Costco and the sheriffs Dept. The reason Cost Co is helping the law enforcement is because if these cops lose, they could be heavily sued for what can come out to be a store employee over reacting about the situation that lead to his killing. This wil get VEry dirty before its up. But I'm hoping with everything I have that these 3 cops are found guilty and serve life sentences in prison for murder.

If you cant see the obvious cover up here, then you're blind as hell. If these officers had nothing to hide, then why is the family and lawyers being prevented from seeing any evidence, camera footage corrupt, LEA is asking for anyone with footage of the shooting to turn it over to them immediately. This is a prime example of a corrupt LEA and a good view into the brotherhood in which we call LE.
 
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