Analysis of a Death: The Erik Scott Shooting

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  1. Mrs_Esterhouse

    Mrs_Esterhouse Swollen Member

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    I just don't have the attention span for 12 pages of analysis.
     

  2. SheriffOconee

    SheriffOconee New Member

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    he lost me here......not just the "anyone how" instead of "who", but the entire paragraph

    "First and foremost, understand that I am writing in response to articles I have read about the incident. Anyone how has achieved professional status in the criminal justice system will attest that it’s very difficult to make conclusive, correct judgments regarding cases about which they have no direct knowledge, as I, and virtually everyone writing about this case, do not. However, professional knowledge of policy and procedure might help others to better understand the issues surrounding such cases."
     
  3. gruntpain1775

    gruntpain1775 New Member

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    Can you contradict yourself anymore in one paragraph?
     
  4. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Erik wasn't shot four times in the back was he?

    The author was speaking hypothetical, right? I haven't read that anywhere, so I'm guessing he's just speaking hypothetically.

    Isn't the autopsy report supposed to be coming out soon?
     
  5. Ashe

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    http://erikbscottmemorialblog.blogspot.com/
     
  6. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    [/quote:35k6c5ir]

    Wow! :shock: Shooting someone in the back, when on the ground dying is usually a huge no-no, unless there is a gun in their hand and they are still pointing it at officers. I wonder if these officers will be treated the same was as when a licensed citizen did something like that.

    Interesting blog to say the least.
     
  7. TippinTaco

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    You know better than that man. These cops will keep their jobs because the office and brotherhood will protect them. I beg that these cops get tossed in prison for murder or manslaughter. this wasn't a deadly threat case, this was 3 officers who were HOPING to pull the trigger. Just giving the hypothetical above, that the other officers sympathically started pulling the trigger, just makes sense that they had their adrenaline pumping and became high strung. I'd like to see pictures of the cops.
     
  8. TippinTaco

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    Heres my problem:

    Ok so... let me get this straight. I'm supposed to turn over incriminating evidence to the exact same officers who shot him even if that footage would prove that these officers murdered this man? Sorry folks but not happening. As much as I tell you guys that these leo's should be charged with murder if found guilty, I'm not bashing on LEO's or dislike them at all.

    I live in a county in which the Good Ole boy system exists. We're not talking simple stuff, we're talking they cover up each others tracks by any means necessary and its been proben time and time again, yet those very same people are still in the department. Its a FACT that FCSO deputies have bullied and intimidated citizens and have gone to some great extreme to cover up simple stuff such as using city computers to look at porn, buy sex toys, surf the web and the list went on. When certain people went to seize the servers in which all this data was on, the servers had been replaced with backups and the original servers weren't ever found. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with LE IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY HONEST IN THEIR JOBS!! I can understand lying to perps to get them to confess, I can understand shooting a criminal if it comes to having to do that. But alot of LEA's are ran in a mafia style manner.

    I can only contest to what we see in Forsyth County. By no means am I trying to hi-jack this thread, I'm just responding to what this guy wrote in his article, and if truly these are the protocols that LEO's follow then holding them responsible for their unlawful actions will be impossible, because they collect the evidence, they question the witnesses, and they write up the reports. As long as THEY control every aspect of the investigation, then how will Eriks death have any type of closure or justice? I will personally apologize to these officers if they're found to be innocent by video proof that Erik in fact made a bad move. But any statements and reports written in Eriks favor by any of them.. don't hold your breath..

    We as citizens of the United State of America, we don't need more governing. Our government needs more governing. Our local LEO's and departments need to be governed the most.
     
  9. mono no aware

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    The Erik Scott Shooting: Update 2

    responds to comments/criticisms in the original post: http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/306043.php

    I watched the opening remarks at the inquest yesterday, and from that I gather the govt's case is to characterize Scott as a drug addict. At one point they implied that he should have been dead from the amount of Xanax, morphine or morphine derivatives in his system. I didn't have the time to watch more, so I didn't hear any testimony.
     
  10. TippinTaco

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    Re: The Erik Scott Shooting: Update 2

    if that is in fact true it could change the ball game entirely, but even so that doesn't mean he went down like the incredible hulk. Those drugs don't make you a raging death path lunatic..

    what this means is they have nothing else to go on for the reason the cops shot him. Now they shot him because he was dosed out on xanax and morphine... Seems like they're trying to draw a dark picture of his drug issues if he had any to pertray him as a bad charcter or a drug abuser to the public to gain control of any public opinions of them. It's a fact that if you take 2 citizens, shoot both of them one of the citizens is the perfect citizen which would provide large amounts of public outrage and attention. The second citizen is a drug abuser and shot int he same style and for the same reason, public will automatically relate the drug abuse to the shooting and start to assume it was justifiable because the citizen was under the influence of drugs...
     
  11. RedDawnTheMusical

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    Ignoring the reckless and retarded behavior of the store (based on the account written in the log), I see a couple of issues that this hinges on:
    1) Did Erik make a move outside the store that a reasonable person would perceive as threatening (e.g. reaching for his gun) and, if so, was this movement caused by instructions from the officers (e.g. "hand over your weapon"). The later wouldn't seem likely, but only legal discovery and trial testimony from witnesses are likely to provide a clear picture.
    2) Over-agression after firing the first couple of rounds: I doubt that go badly for the officers. From their perspective they could argue that they new he was armed, he made what they perceived to be an gressive movement for the firearm, there was a lot of adrenilan, etc., etc. Of course, if it was one of us and we unloaded a mag that included to the shots to the back, we'd have the making of a great "Law & Order" episode about armed citizens being the root of all evil.
     
  12. EJR914

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    Re: The Erik Scott Shooting: Update 2

    To be honest, I found it strange that I have a very similar, if not worse back condition than he had. I know the pain, and I know how sometimes you have to, as in forced to take drugs just to get out and walk during the day. I think its wrong of them to try to ruin his character by painting him as a drug addict, but to be honest, its very predictable. I was told this is how things were done and how things operated when I was dealing with my situation. I was told to sue them, but that my name would be dragged through the mud in the process. It appears this is SOP for this sort of thing. To be honest, its disgusting. Especially when somehow the video just magically isn't usable and all the backup of the videos failed as well. To me, it really looks like the height of corruption.

    Its really a sad situation for our legal system, the status of authorities in that area, and for the family.

    Since the video is all now unusable, I doubt we'll ever get to see or know what really happened.

    All we have now is speculation.
     
  13. TippinTaco

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    Which is what they want. Someone cant be found guilty just on speculation..
     
  14. EJR914

    EJR914 Cheezburger Operator

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    Creating reasonable doubt, helps as well.
     
  15. TippinTaco

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    Has anyone seen the first deputy who fired a shot? For some reason he has that "I'm a badass atitude look".

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    But heres the kicker:

    So the officer states that Erik DIDN'T drop the gun when told to do so. But theonly evidence that was on the ground was the phone and a holstered handgun.. So if he had a gun in his hand.. it would have been on the ground unholstered laying next to the body. This to me sounds as if Erik removed the holsterd weapon from his side and they placed 6 shots into him while the gun was never a threat to anyone at that point. I wasn't there but based on the detectives testimony it looks like these murderers in fact shot Erik in a adrenaline rushed shooting, and now they're scrambling to cover it up by making Erik out to be this drug abuser, mean, angry guy who threatens to kill hsi neighbor and dog because the dog bit Erik. No one has taken the stand EXCEPT the witnesses that the sheriffs department has wanted to take the stand which is either paid off, intimidated, or seriously had no F'ing clue what happened that day, they just want to be on Tv.
     
  16. Malum Prohibitum

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    :shock:
    http://erikbscottmemorialblog.blogspot.com/
     
  17. Malum Prohibitum

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    Re: The Erik Scott Shooting: Update 2

    http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25144746/detail.html
     
  18. Malum Prohibitum

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    http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/25139944/detail.html

    Video at the link of officer's testimony
     
  19. TippinTaco

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    This is the part I 100% agree with

    I work in the Banking Point of Sale industry. I've installed some sophisticated Hw in some of the worlds biggest players such as Walmart, Home Depot, Pet Smart, Burger Kings, And the list is endless. One thing I can tel you they had some VERY VERY nice security equipment and even the security guy told me that for every Hd recording there was 2 copies being stored else where for civil purposes such as lawsuits like slip and falls, or anything the company could be sued for. These companys CYA because lawsuits are a dime a dozen nowadays. Theres copies of this video some where and the only people who know is Costco and the sheriffs Dept. The reason Cost Co is helping the law enforcement is because if these cops lose, they could be heavily sued for what can come out to be a store employee over reacting about the situation that lead to his killing. This wil get VEry dirty before its up. But I'm hoping with everything I have that these 3 cops are found guilty and serve life sentences in prison for murder.

    If you cant see the obvious cover up here, then you're blind as hell. If these officers had nothing to hide, then why is the family and lawyers being prevented from seeing any evidence, camera footage corrupt, LEA is asking for anyone with footage of the shooting to turn it over to them immediately. This is a prime example of a corrupt LEA and a good view into the brotherhood in which we call LE.
     
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