An interesting piece on America's brilliant foreign policy..

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BSCLibertarian

Discussion Starter · Mar 30, 2011

Pretty good read here:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/artic ... =1#discuss

An interesting examination of how little our foreign policy has changed since WW1 and President Wilson....

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· #2 · Mar 30, 2011

This explains it all to me:

The United States was birthed in revolution, and early Americans consciously sought to avoid getting entangled in European affairs. For the nationâ€™s first century continental, not international, expansion was the norm. Few Americans were interested in taking sides in Europeâ€™s periodic wars.

However, the so-called Progressives changed America. They were inveterate social engineers. At home they wanted to discard the values of limited government and individual liberty. Abroad they wanted to junk the virtues of humility and prudence. Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson were the most malicious exemplars of this statist and militarist philosophy.

President Wilson, reelected in 1916, imagined personally remaking the international order. In the name of ending war and promoting democracy, he took the U.S. into a senseless conflict in which the nation had no interest. No one was threatening America. No one had the slightest interest in threatening America.

What the Republicans out there do not understand, is that the U.S. Interventionist military policy is actually birthed out of Progressivism/Statism, something the founding fathers tried to avoid if at all possible.

In fact, many of our founders were libertarians to the maximum.

I found this today. There is no Right and Left. There is only Tyranny and Freedom.

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bdee

· #3 · Mar 30, 2011

Well it looks like we are seeing the development of a new Obama Doctrine. We can can use military force not just when our national interests are at stake but to act as the conscience of the world.

Obama said he had to take military action in Libya to avert a massacre of civilians that would have â€œstained the conscience of the world.â€

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... 8PXArT0_xU

It looks like we are developing a coalition between the chickenhawks and the Progressives for a new kind of global interventionism.

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spector

· #4 · Mar 30, 2011

EJR914 said:
This explains it all to me:

I found this today. There is no Right and Left. There is only Tyranny and Freedom.

From The facebook page for Ayn Rand today:

?"The basic and crucial political issue of our age is: capitalism versus socialism, or freedom versus statism. For decades, this issue has been silenced, suppressed, evaded, and hidden under the foggy, undefined rubber-terms of 'conservatism' and 'liberalism' which had lost their original meaning and could be stretched to mean all things to all men."

Yep. You CANNOT have freedom at home while perpetually fighting wars abroad.

"I like small government, BUT..." -- No. Doesn't work that way. You can't have both.

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bdee

· #5 · Mar 30, 2011

^ This.

I hope more of us begin to come to the same conclusion.

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BSCLibertarian

Discussion Starter · #6 · Mar 30, 2011

"War is just one more big government program." â€“ Joseph Sobran

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