Which means that folks east and southeast of the city would be affected, too, unless it is one of the odd days when the winds are out of the east.
Security briefings suggest that jihadi groups are also close to producing "workable and efficient" biological and chemical weapons that could kill thousands if unleashed in attacks on the West.
The security of the world's only two declared smallpox stores in Atlanta, USA, and Novosibirsk, Russia, has repeatedly been called into doubt by "a growing chorus of voices" at meetings of the World Health Assembly documented in the leaked cables.
[/quote:3kg3ikqc]ChipM said:An article in the Telegraph about the growing potential for dirty and biological weapons attacks: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...iLeaks-al-Qaeda-is-planning-a-dirty-bomb.html
[quote:3kg3ikqc]The security of the world's only two declared smallpox stores in Atlanta, USA, and Novosibirsk, Russia, has repeatedly been called into doubt by "a growing chorus of voices" at meetings of the World Health Assembly documented in the leaked cables.Security briefings suggest that jihadi groups are also close to producing "workable and efficient" biological and chemical weapons that could kill thousands if unleashed in attacks on the West.
True, but it's not like they have barbed wire fences protecting the campus either. IIRC, the guards carry in Condition-3 and most haven't qualified with the weapons they carried day-to-day. Meh, what does one really expect with what they're paid by Walden? (Wonder if they still have the contract?)ookoshi said:Security at the CDC is non-trivial.
I read the article to mean that the concern was in loss or theft of biological material, not in a bomb causing it's release.Fallschirmjäger said:A dirty bomb hitting the CDC isn't going to make things any worse than any sort of 'clean weapon'. The smallpox vaccines are kept in a BSL-3 building (they don't rate BSL-4 level protections.) There are Much worse things to worry about in the BSL-4 labs.
Ahh.... in that case no one, and I mean no one, is just walking on campus and getting into the labs. It took me close to a year to get clearance to go around unescorted on campus (until then it was metal detector and hand inspection of everything, in and out) and even then I only had access to certain sections. The individual buildings themselves are usually card-locked, all have security at entrances, and if you're not on the access list you are Not getting into any of the actual labs. When people did have do do work in the labs, their cards were authorized, they were escorted, and after work was done the cards were again deauthorized.ChipM said:I read the article to mean that the concern was in loss or theft of biological material, not in a bomb causing it's release.Fallschirmjäger said:A dirty bomb hitting the CDC isn't going to make things any worse than any sort of 'clean weapon'. The smallpox vaccines are kept in a BSL-3 building (they don't rate BSL-4 level protections.) There are Much worse things to worry about in the BSL-4 labs.
I thought the researchers who have access to BSL-4 material have TS clearance? Although possible, this seems rather unlikely.gunsmoker said:What if the Islamic fanatics have inside help?
Plenty of Ph.D. chemists and M.D. research types come from the middle east.
In fact, so do some security officers.
What if a Muslim security officer and a Muslim researcher at that facility got together and decided to become martyrs for the greater cause?
Not all "bad guys" that attack a facility will be coming over the walls with guns blazing.
High level people defect from countries all the time. Ya never know what might trigger someone to 'get back' at the country that has provided them with so much. Maybe we give some people too much, when all they want is a goat.ookoshi said:I thought the researchers who have access to BSL-4 material have TS clearance? Although possible, this seems rather unlikely.
Think about how they smuggle in prison. But, that's probably way more dangerous than a balloon full of heroin. :shock:Fallschirmjäger said:If said BG has passed the security checks to be employed at the CDC...
... has passed the security checks to gain access to the Bio labs
... is authorized to to do research by the lab director
... can find a way to carry something OUT of the lab while in a moonsuit and through (assisted) decontamination and (assisted) degowning before being allowed out of the airlock
... then
AV8R said:Think about how they smuggle in prison. But, that's probably way more dangerous than a balloon full of heroin. :shock:Fallschirmjäger said:If said BG has passed the security checks to be employed at the CDC...
... has passed the security checks to gain access to the Bio labs
... is authorized to to do research by the lab director
... can find a way to carry something OUT of the lab while in a moonsuit and through (assisted) decontamination and (assisted) degowning before being allowed out of the airlock
... then
Civilian contract security paid at about twice minimum wage....EJR914 said:I sure hope that the security at the CDC is better than some of the government facilities around the nation. I hope 9/11 was a wake up call for some of them, but I just don't know.