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What I don't like is listening to the activist whose answer is more restrictions, more taking away the discretion from the officer as to when she can use the weapon to defend her life.

Every shooting situation should be examined to see why it happened and what could have been done differently. What does prove successful is training, training and more training.

But regardless of how well-versed an officer becomes in de-escalating a situation, chances are good that he will come across someone who comes out with a weapon and intends to use it. I don't want that officer to lose the edge in a deadly force situation because he's worried about the repercussions.

Taking away more discretion from police officers is not the answer to deadly force shootings involving police.
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We live in a country that at times seems consumed by violence. Take the number of police-related shootings â€"- not just fatalities but shootings â€"- and multiply it by 50, and you'll get a good number of close calls that could have resulted in a fatal shooting if not for the officer's discretion based on training and experience. Those near-misses don't make the news.
How about the civilians that need to do the same?

But regardless of how well-versed an officer becomes in de-escalating a situation, chances are good that he will come across someone who comes out with a weapon and intends to use it. I don't want that officer to lose the edge in a deadly force situation because he's worried about the repercussions.
Again how about the civilians that need to do the same. I do realize that a LEO due to the nature of the job are more likely to be in this situation but is this not the same reason we carry and converse here about repercussions?

I guess that we are not professional enough to matter.
 

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How about the civilians that need to do the same?

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Again how about the civilians that need to do the same. I do realize that a LEO due to the nature of the job are more likely to be in this situation but is this not the same reason we carry and converse here about repercussions?

I guess that we are not professional enough to matter.
I do not think you are being fair.

He is writing about police shootings. That is his topic. He has written before on "civilians" (non-military, non-police :lol: ) carry. He even wrote about his own experience needing to draw a gun in a parking deck when leaving a sporting event (although he did not seem to be aware that he was carrying somewhere that you and I cannot).

I have not seen anything by him denigrating carry by non-LEOs.
 

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I dont think I have read anything from him stating an anti-civilian carry position. He seems to be level in my opinion. As MP mentioned, the article about the sporting even was interesting. I wasnt sure he realized the average citizen with a GFL can't carry there either.

But he has never been anti to my knowledge. And I think alot of these incidents are unknown because they are facts. Media doesnt like facts, they like events. If they reported every time a civilian had an occurance, attempted attack of any nature, or dangerous situation everybody would probably carry a gun.

I agree with S&W 40, the average citizen now adays has many dangerous situations and should be allowed to carry wherever we wish with our license.
 

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Did it strike anyone else that he is railing against the same thing that is getting our soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, the ROE that makes them question what the consequences are going to be if they defend themselves? It isn't working over there, and it won't work on the streets here.
 

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Sine Nomen said:
Almost a third of those killed were shot in the head, neck or shoulder region, suggesting that the shooters took into account the officers most likely were wearing body armor.
Think they aimed around the armor or just sprayed bullets willy-nilly and only the shots that fell outside of the vest were fatal?
That was my initial thought. Too bad there was no mention of how many bullets didnt kill officers for wearing their vest. I have never seen thug life at a shooting range before! You know the gangsta grips and all.
 

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I have never seen thug life at a shooting range before! You know the gangsta grips and all.
I have.

It's scary.
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
I do not think you are being fair.
MP,

Correct I am not, to many long workdays have me in a negative mind set.
 

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S&W 40 said:
[quote="Malum Prohibitum":1keqzsi3]I do not think you are being fair.
MP,

Correct I am not, to many long workdays have me in a negative mind set.[/quote:1keqzsi3]

Anybody notice how rarely this site degenerates into petty arguments and name-calling?

That is what keeps me here!

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Malum Prohibitum said:
[quote="S&W 40":1fco20hj][quote="Malum Prohibitum":1fco20hj]I do not think you are being fair.
MP,

Correct I am not, to many long workdays have me in a negative mind set.[/quote:1fco20hj]

Anybody notice how rarely this site degenerates into petty arguments and name-calling?

That is what keeps me here!

:D[/quote:1fco20hj]

I'm not going to start calling anyone names who openly carries an H&K .45. :wink:
 

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Malum Prohibitum said:
[quote="S&W 40":1bwh7pm6][quote="Malum Prohibitum":1bwh7pm6]I do not think you are being fair.
MP,

Correct I am not, to many long workdays have me in a negative mind set.[/quote:1bwh7pm6]

Anybody notice how rarely this site degenerates into petty arguments and name-calling?

That is what keeps me here!

:D[/quote:1bwh7pm6]

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(Especially since I am so opinionated) :lol:
 

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Training, training, and more training is definitely the key (sworn and non-sworn). There is a huge difference between qualifying and training, and all too often agencies get people "qualified" and stop there.
 

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Training, training, and more training is definitely the key (sworn and non-sworn). There is a huge difference between qualifying and training, and all too often agencies get people "qualified" and stop there.
Exactly, as long as they qualify and the paper work is done correctly the agency is covered. Very few actually train to fight and win. Mostly because of money and ambiguous range safety rules. Real training and safety have to be looked at objectively not one sided.
 
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