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Discussion in 'Off-topic' started by Rammstein, Feb 19, 2007.
So what say you? Is America ready for a Mormon president?
I think we're more ready to have a Mormon president than one who is black or a woman. There are still too many underlying race and gender issues in this country and I don't see them going away anytime soon.
I'm ready, personally... but neither Romney, Hillary OR Obama will get my vote. All are socialists who will renew the AWB in a heartbeat. One from Mass, one from NY and one from IL. I don't want any of those states values in the white house.
I have no problem with the last two, so long as they are conservative/libertarian. If you see any, let me know.
I have no problem with a Mormon president, either, so long as he does not give "code words" in speeches like Orrin Hatch does, regarding impending doom and gloom and subjugation of non-Mormons . . .
I like it! Two wives in every pot!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Personally, I would rather see a candidate devoid of religion. In my opinion, religion clouds judgment. It gives people the false belief that they are not responsible to other humans because they will only be judged in the afterlife. And the criteria for that judgment is based on whatever book with which they are beholden. But, I don't want to aberrate from the thread topic.
Ideally, I'd like to see a libertarian president. But, I understand that is about as likely as a handicapped, black, muslim, lesbian woman being elected president.
I'm not particularly fond of this Mormon for President. Romney has been courting the NRA crowd hard with his attendance at the SHOT conference, etc. He has however, not been a particular fan of gun rights. I don't think he would do us any harm, but he won't do us any help either. Right now, frankly, the major candidates all don't look good for gun rights.
I have no problem with any religion, color, race or sex in the big seat of that white house. But as mentioned their track record and political stance would have to be in line with conservative beliefs. But like any politician track record is like navigating the Bermuda triangle.
My problem is that a religious belief can influence ones outlook to the point of being tyranical. History gives many examples: prohibition, stem cell research, marriage, etc.
Not to say that atheizm is any better. But the agnostic or atheist generaly don't try to pass laws to force a behavior on the people around them.
Is this a serious post or a joke?
I wouldn't classify it as tyrannical. Rather, just trying to impose their own religious world-view on others.
What were these "code" words?
Not in your lifetime! This practice among "Mormons" ended in the 1890's!
I agree with KKennett about Romney's gun stance and I don't want him in the presidency and I am a "Mormon"!
"Constitution hanging by a thread." Most Americans have no idea the import of what he was saying. I imagine you do. For the rest of the people here who have no idea what is being referred to here . . . and here
Yes, God at one point quite clearly stated that this would be eternal, according to Mormonism's divinely inspired leaders at the time, then he changed his mind so that Utah could become a state.
I will not support this man for President, but it has nothing to do with his religion (if you read my post in context, I clearly indicated that I would have no trouble supporting a Mormon for President). I would not read too much into what I had to say, except that apparently Mitt Romney himself has had a thing or two to say about the same comment.
And let me make sure you understand that I do not have a problem with that! It sounds cliche, but some of my best friends are Mormons, and that has been the case all my life no matter where I live.
Although I do not share their theology, I find that a lot of their values and perspectives line up with mine more so that people of other religions.
I hope this is not too long of a post.
One of the prior presidents of the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" (The Mormons) wrote the following about the constitution of the United States of Ameriica:
The Church teaches adherance to the constitution and we as members hold fast to that document and beleive that it was given as an inspired document for mankind.
The "hanging by a thread" reference is happening today! The people of this land are not holding on to the constitution or its fundamentals and it is indeed in danger of being undermined and thrown away by the United States and it's politicians and lawmakers!
Utah became the 45th state on January 4, 1896.
In an interview with Mike Wallace, Gordon B. Hinckley, the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (the Mormons) was asked many questions including the following:
I truly beleive that it was not an issue of becoming a state but because the man beleived to be a Prophet of God at that time received inspired revelation, as did Moses, Noah, and others in the Old Testament, stating what God wanted His people to do!
I do not want to start, or have, a religious debate!
Let us just say, then, that the Mormon God changes his mind a whole lot, and his mood swings, coincidentally, tend to line up with outside political pressures.
God did the same thing on race, too, didn't he? And Gordon Hinckley claimed he did not know anything about this in an interview with Larry King on CNN, since you want to bring up Mr. Hinckley. I found his feigned ignorance to be rather shocking given his claims to inspired guidance. I think it was rather that he did not want to answer a very uncomfortable question.
One of the great things about this country is that it was founded on principles of freedom of religion, etc. while we may not agree on these things (and we don't have to) I support your right and freedom to express your beleifs and ideas and applaud you doing so!
The "Mormons" beleive that you and I each have the right to believe as our conscience dictates!
And let me just repeat this one in case you missed it while you were typing the long response. If this were the Middle East instead of America, I guess we would have to start blowing stuff up now.
make no mistake .... Romney is anti-gun. A couple years ago, the legislature reformed a minor portion of their law. He signed the bill, then went on a tirade about how bad gun owners are and that gun owners only want to kill.
He will never have my vote.
By and large, though, American gun owners will swallow whatever lip service the candidates pay to the "Second Amendment."
Mafuta54, not to get into a large religious brouhaha...
But, would not the idea that God specifically "raised up" the founders also have to be adopted for the thought that God specifically "raised up" men like Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, Saddam Husein, etc?