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Im sitting here listening to foxnews as I work on the laptop and all I hear is about how republicans are going to take charge soon. They keep talking about how they are going to share power with democrats and give them a say. Am I the only one that remembers when the democrats shut the republicans out?? Now when they get the power back they want to make amends with the people that wouldnt do the same for them????
Then I hear some democrat talk about how they are going to watch the republicans and call out every hypocracy they see... lol wow whatever happened to those that live in glass houses......
 

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The Democrats also said they were going to do that in '06. And make it the most accountable Congress ever, just like the Republicans are now.

Here your new boss, same as the old boss.

I think they have to say something like that, it's tradition.
 

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groats said:
atlsrt44 said:
They keep talking about how they are going to share power with democrats and give them a say.
Were their lips moving?
dont know looking at laptop :D just listening
 

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Its called COMPROMISE! Remember, the Republicans ALWAYS must compromise and give in to the Democrats. The Democrats almost NEVER compromise and give into Republicans.

I am very PROUD of the Democrats for compromising and giving in to the Republicans on Taxes! I was very proud of them for doing that. :D :righton:

I don't think Republicans should work with, compromise with, the Democrats any more than they compromised with us... Tit for Tat... give them a taste of their own medicine.

With that said, we can thank Democrats for keeping the tax cuts. Thanks Democrats!

I really think that Republicans should never really compromise with Democrats, because we just get MORE Socialism, and Democrats should never compromise with Republicans, because it just gets us more POLICE STATE.

Every 4 or 8 years, we get a little bit of a taste of both of them.... like a 1-2 punch. If we keep going on this route, we will end up in a Socialist Police State. Which we are pretty much there RIGHT NOW.
 

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I really think that Republicans should never really compromise with Democrats, because we just get MORE Socialism, and Democrats should never compromise with Republicans, because it just gets us more POLICE STATE.

Every 4 or 8 years, we get a little bit of a taste of both of them.... like a 1-2 punch. If we keep going on this route, we will end up in a Socialist Police State. Which we are pretty much there RIGHT NOW.
Too many people spending too much time all trying to be seen as "doing something".

What if we limited Congressional sessions to only two months or something?
 

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EJR914 said:
I really think that Republicans should never really compromise with Democrats, because we just get MORE Socialism, and Democrats should never compromise with Republicans, because it just gets us more POLICE STATE.

Every 4 or 8 years, we get a little bit of a taste of both of them.... like a 1-2 punch. If we keep going on this route, we will end up in a Socialist Police State. Which we are pretty much there RIGHT NOW.
Too many people spending too much time all trying to be seen as "doing something".

What if we limited Congressional sessions to only two months or something?
What if we limited Congressional sessions to 1 hour out of year... now that would be REAL progress.

I say this because I have no real HOPE that Americans will wake up from their media/public school indoctrinated slumber and realize what is happening when you vote for one side or the other.

I have no real hope that ENOUGH Americans will wake up and vote in REAL libertarians that are serious about fixing the country and turning back the clock on our rights, including returning us to STATE citizens, and repealing the 14th amendment. Give the rights back to the State... Create State governments again, and have a somewhat limited Federal government, and do away with the NATIONAL government that we have right now. The way the Founders intended for this country to be run. With freedom coming first, and Big National Government taking a back seat to the rights, lives, and property of its citizens.

I fear that EVEN if we do all elect libertarians to office, they will soon be corrupted in Washington, just like all the other criminals up there.

In short, I believe we are completely screwed. Mainly because of the PEOPLE in this country have NO idea what a Constitutionally held Republic would really look like, and what State and Federal government SHOULD look like, and the fact that a National Government in this country is a VERY bad idea.

I'm really thinking of becoming a STATE citizen... a citizen of 1789. Just to prove a point. No need to have a driver's license.... no need to have a GWL... the only downside is that you've got to have a lot of money for when you get thrown in jail, and then you must of course ask the State of Georgia to prove its lawfulness, and when they can't prove it, they will let you go, but it takes tons of time, tons of MONEY, and it takes you actually defending yourself in the court of law for a while, because they are going to assign a special prosecutor to the case via the Attorney General, and the judge will ask for all that, and then after a lot of delays because the prosecutor will realize that THE STATE's rights were destroyed when Georgia accepted the 14th Amendment, and in Georgia V. Stanton, the court ruled that a National Government COULD annul a state and subjugate its People. And that it was simply a political question, and NOT a question of Constitutionality.

What I wonder is WOULD our Founding Fathers of Georgia, have signed into a UNION with a Federation, knowing that the Federation could simply annul THEIR State and subjugate its People, by forcing them, under military intimidation and duress, by creating a newly formed National government?

The State of Georgia was forced, under military duress, to sign onto the 14th Amendment to the Constitution.

If YOU had a gun to your head, and a man saying that you must enter into a contract with him, is that contract still VALID? NO! That is called DURESS, and that contract is now made, null and void.

So should be the 14th amendment and the Reconstruction Acts, as they were entered into under military force and duress.

We live under an Unconstitutional government that was created under military duress, and continues to operate under government force to this day.

Don't believe me? Fill out the proper paperwork to become a citizen of Georgia of 1789, the last lawful form of government, and see what happens. You will get visited by Intelligence Officers, and all be threatened with death to cease with restoring the lawful government of Georgia, 1789.

We are still being held under government force and duress, by an unconstitutional National government. They will do just about anything to keep us from reinstating the lawful, provable, Constitutional government of 1789.

These TYRANTS LOVE their power that they received from annulling the States and subjugating their People. Remember, We the People, have ceased to exist, and Congress is now, The People, and they have Absolute Power over All PERSONS and ALL THINGS. That's how they are allowed to chip away at the Constitution so much, "legally." Our form of government is not longer "legal" lawful, or provable. Certainly not Constitutional.

Don't believe me? Do some research. If anyone here can refute anything that I've said here, then there is a man that I know that will give you $10,000 to prove him wrong.

The State of North Carolina, a Special Prosecutor, an Attorney General, and a Federal judge could not prove him wrong, can you?

We were NEVER meant to be a NATIONAL Government. We were meant to be a Federation, a Federal Constitutional Government. We were meant to have States with the right to make most of the laws and enforce them, and a Federal government that could do things like wage wars.

We have exactly the opposite today. We have a NATIONAL government that makes and enforces many more Laws than the States do, because they States really are POWERLESS in making and enforcing most of the laws. This is due to the 14th amendment.

That is why our National government can tell Arizona to piss off, and their law is essentially unconstitutional, in today's National government, because THEY have all the POWER. The National Government has supreme power of the States, and over ALL PEOPLE and ALL THINGS.

In summation, please READ what our Founding Father, James Madison, said about NATIONAL governments in his Federal Papers.

The idea of a national Government involves in it, not only an authority over the individual citizens; but an indefinite supremacy over all persons and things, so far as they are objects of lawful Government. -James Madison
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders ... h8s27.html

Emphasis mine.

We the People, are but OBJECTS to our government, and they have supreme authority over ALL PEOPLE and ALL THINGS.

Congress IS NOW THE PEOPLE. There is no such things as "WE THE PEOPLE," now. We do not exist under our current form of a National government.

I think that about proves everything, and proves why I would rather CONGRESS not meet at all, because we literally live under an unlawful, unprovable, unconstitutional National Government.

Until we FIX that problem, NOTHING that we do will EVER change ANYTHING. We will keep sliding into an Socialist Police State.

We cannot VOTE ourselves out of this problem.

We must RESTORE our RIGHTFUL, PROVABLE, LAWFUL, CONSTITUTIONAL, Government.

The only way that I see to do this, is to TAKE it to the COURTS.

Right now, the Constitutionality of Reconstruction and the 14th Amendment has never been argued in front of the Supreme Court of the US. Congress actually made a LAW that took away the JURISDICTION of the Courts to RULE on the Constitutionaly of Reconstruction and the 14th Amendment.

Our government was hi-jacked during Reconstruction. We need to take it back.

Take it to the courts, win in court, and move our country back to lawful provable government.

We can't do it alone, so we are going to need a lot of people's support.

Do you support doing away with Anchor Babies? Do you support doing away with Abortion? If you are already in groups that are trying to do away with this, we should all gather together, and fight to repeal the 14th Amendment... and all these unconstitutional things will disappear over night, and those POWERS will return to the STATE and your STATE can then decide what it wants to do. The way it should have been anyway.

We need to band together for a COMMON Cause, and do away with trying to fight things separately. I actually agree with a woman's right to choose, but I do not agree with the National Government telling the STATES what they can and cannot do. That is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. If a STATE want to make Anchor Babies Legal, then by all means, make it legal in your STATE, but we should not have a National government telling all of the STATES and its PEOPLE that we must accept Anchor Babies. As we are the ONLY country in the world that allows for Anchor Babies. Let it be up to the States.

Will you help join the cause? Or will we just sit here and keep complaining about how many days or weeks Congress is in session?
 

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EJR914 I don't know what you do for a living, but if it isn't writing you are in the wrong line of work. :p
 

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Right now, the Constitutionality of Reconstruction and the 14th Amendment has never been argued in front of the Supreme Court of the US. Congress actually made a LAW that took away the JURISDICTION of the Courts to RULE on the Constitutionaly of Reconstruction and the 14th Amendment.
Wouldn't that require an Amendment to be valid? Separation of Powers and all that?
 

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Right now, the Constitutionality of Reconstruction and the 14th Amendment has never been argued in front of the Supreme Court of the US. Congress actually made a LAW that took away the JURISDICTION of the Courts to RULE on the Constitutionally of Reconstruction and the 14th Amendment.
Wouldn't that require an Amendment to be valid? Separation of Powers and all that?
My point EXACTLY. You nailed it. The Supreme Court and just the COURTS in general are actually there to SECURE the RIGHTS of citizens against an OVER-ENCROACHING government.

What we had during Georgia V Stanton, Ex Parte McCardle, and Ex Parte Yerger is that the Courts either refused to protect THE PEOPLE, and our rights, or they Courts wanted to come out and support our rights, but The Radical Republicans in Congress, either took AWAY the JURISDICTION of the court to rule on the case, OR in the case of YERGER intimidated him so badly, AND introduced a bill to again take away the Courts JURISDICTION to rule on the case, but YERGER was so intimidated by the government that he dropped his case, in order to not be convicted on a whole host of trumped up charges that were raised against him.

Here is a brief synopsis of the Court cases where Reconstruction and the 14th amendment was attempted to be argued in front of the Courts. Yes on of them was right here in Georgia.

Georgia Vs. Stanton: Court ruled that just because an Act of Congress would "annul and totally abolish the existing State of Georgia, is not within the jurisdiction of this Court." Further stating that the matter was a political question that did not affect personal or property rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_v._Stanton

Ex Parte McCardle: The court accepted jurisdiction under the Act of 1867 and the case was argued. Before the Court could render a judgment Congress enacted a law that repealed the appellate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court under the Act of 1867 and prohibited from proceeding on any appeals already before it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_McCardle

Ex Parte Yerger: Supreme Court accepted jurisdiction under the Judiciary Act of 1789. The Senate introduced a bill "...explicitly prohibiting the Supreme Court from considering any case which involved validity of the Reconstruction Acts, followed by another, still more radical, prohibiting the judicial review of any Act of Congress... Yerger on being turned over to the civil authorities withdrew his petition."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_parte_Yerger
All this can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinGIrel ... re=related

All this really doesn't matter, as if it happened today, the tyrants in Congress would just simply take away the Supreme Courts jurisdiction on the case again, and again, the Congress would be acting as tyrants, taking away the ONLY LEGAL recourse that we have to protect us from an over-encroaching government. A tyrannical government if you will.

The fact is, I just heard this idiot on fox news say that the 14th amendment was to give BLACKS full citizenship and not 3/5ths citizenship.

What an idiot. The 14th amendment was for the WHITE man as well. It made all of us National citizens, annulling states and subjugating their people.
 

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EJR914 I don't know what you do for a living, but if it isn't writing you are in the wrong line of work. :p
Thank you for the compliment, MP. I have a 4-yr finance degree. Maybe I missed my calling. I am currently unemployed, though. Anybody know of a publisher looking for a political writer? :p
 
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