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rotterdam2

Discussion Starter · Jan 25, 2011

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GAGunOwner

· #2 · Jan 25, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

The problem is, you never know what the future laws could (will) be. Is there any guarantee that in the future you won't have to turn your AR/AK in or your standard-capacity magazines? What if you could keep them but not be allowed to sell them?

If it were me I'd get plenty of 10+ round magazines for everything I owned. Also, you might consider getting a few (extra) AKs/ARs (or the like) just to have. Basically anything that looks mean and that accepts 10+ round mags. Get plenty of ammo. for these as well.

Also, if you ever think you will seriously want a registered MG, now's the time to buy. The prices have dropped some due to the bad economy.

Aberk

· #3 · Jan 25, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

GAGunOwner said:
The problem is, you never know what the future laws could (will) be. Is there any guarantee that in the future you won't have to turn your AR/AK in or your standard-capacity magazines? What if you could keep them but not be allowed to sell them?

If it were me I'd get plenty of 10+ round magazines for everything I owned. Also, you might consider getting a few (extra) AKs/ARs (or the like) just to have. Basically anything that looks mean and that accepts 10+ round mags. Get plenty of ammo. for these as well.

Also, if you ever think you will seriously want a registered MG, now's the time to buy. The prices have dropped some due to the bad economy.

I really want to take the plunge on an M-16.

GAGunOwner

· #4 · Jan 25, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

Aberk said:
GAGunOwner said:

The problem is, you never know what the future laws could (will) be. Is there any guarantee that in the future you won't have to turn your AR/AK in or your standard-capacity magazines? What if you could keep them but not be allowed to sell them?

If it were me I'd get plenty of 10+ round magazines for everything I owned. Also, you might consider getting a few (extra) AKs/ARs (or the like) just to have. Basically anything that looks mean and that accepts 10+ round mags. Get plenty of ammo. for these as well.

Also, if you ever think you will seriously want a registered MG, now's the time to buy. The prices have dropped some due to the bad economy.

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I really want to take the plunge on an M-16.

Do you want to go registered receiver, RDIAS, or lightening-link?

madcapmagician

· #5 · Jan 25, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

Buy magazines for whatever platform you THINK you might want.

I'd go with an AR-15 as there is a standard "milspec" pattern which everyone recognizes. The ability to change parts and accessories is like playing with Legos on them and everyone is cranking stuff out right now.

Aberk

· #6 · Jan 25, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

GAGunOwner said:
Aberk said:

GAGunOwner said:

The problem is, you never know what the future laws could (will) be. Is there any guarantee that in the future you won't have to turn your AR/AK in or your standard-capacity magazines? What if you could keep them but not be allowed to sell them?

If it were me I'd get plenty of 10+ round magazines for everything I owned. Also, you might consider getting a few (extra) AKs/ARs (or the like) just to have. Basically anything that looks mean and that accepts 10+ round mags. Get plenty of ammo. for these as well.

Also, if you ever think you will seriously want a registered MG, now's the time to buy. The prices have dropped some due to the bad economy.

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I really want to take the plunge on an M-16.

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Do you want to go registered receiver, RDIAS, or lightening-link?

Registered receiver. I'd like to find something with multiple fire types: semi,3 shot burst, and F/A.

gunsmoker

· #7 · Jan 25, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

Three quick points:

1--The new laws may not have a "grandfather clause" that exempts all the cool paramilitary weapons and magazines we already own.
The government could just declare your stuff contraband and give you a reasonable period of time time to dispose of it (sell it to LEO agencies, sell it to distributors who will export it overseas, etc.) And if that is the kind of loss of property that triggers the "takings clause" of the Constitution, the government can probably offer a small amount and have a huge "buy back" program.

2-- The new laws might have a grandfather clause that only applies if you owned a completed, fully assembled weapon in the banned configuration prior to the date the law takes effect. Having a virgin receiver and a bucket full of "assault weapon" parts may not work because you would be prohibited from creating a prohibited weapon. You could only build your rifle in a sporting version. This is how federal law was 1994-2004. At least that's how BATF thought it was.

3-- If you think there will be an AWB and you think it will include high-capacity magazines, BUT you think it will have a grandfather clause letting you keep and sell anything you legally owned prior to the ban, then I would:
(A) Buy all the high-cap mags I would ever want for the guns I own or anticipate owning in the future.
(B) Buy some unusual and exotic high-capacity mags, like super-capacity drums, belts or links, etc. Or regular 30-round mags for exotic and new weapons that are not common in the market yet, but you expect to become more popular in the future. These mags and drums would be for investment. For a few years during the federal AWB $20 mags were selling for $40, and 75-round drums that used to be $79 were going for $299, and if you needed a 100 round mag for your Calico 9mm carbine, or a 50 round drum for your Thompson, forget it. One arm and one leg!!

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GAGunOwner

· #8 · Jan 25, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

Aberk said:
GAGunOwner said:

Aberk said:

GAGunOwner said:

The problem is, you never know what the future laws could (will) be. Is there any guarantee that in the future you won't have to turn your AR/AK in or your standard-capacity magazines? What if you could keep them but not be allowed to sell them?

If it were me I'd get plenty of 10+ round magazines for everything I owned. Also, you might consider getting a few (extra) AKs/ARs (or the like) just to have. Basically anything that looks mean and that accepts 10+ round mags. Get plenty of ammo. for these as well.

Also, if you ever think you will seriously want a registered MG, now's the time to buy. The prices have dropped some due to the bad economy.

Click to expand...

I really want to take the plunge on an M-16.

Click to expand...

Do you want to go registered receiver, RDIAS, or lightening-link?

Click to expand...

Registered receiver. I'd like to find something with multiple fire types: semi,3 shot burst, and F/A.

The most versitile option is the registered drop in auto-sear (RDIAS). You might want to take a second look at that. With one of those you can have several different hosts to put them in. With the RR you are stuck with just that one gun.

45_Fan

· #9 · Jan 25, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

Invest in lottery tickets and find a winning system for blackjack.

Right now, the EBR and non-restricted capacity magazine market is still settling back down from the 2008 election fears. Unless something extraordinary happens, you will buying high in the midst of declining prices.

If you are going to risk something, invest in 25+ year old machine guns but be aware that the price would drop like a pound of lead in free-fall if anything ever happened to the '86 ban.

GAGunOwner

· #10 · Jan 25, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

45_Fan said:
If you are going to risk something, invest in 25+ year old machine guns but be aware that the price would drop like a pound of lead in free-fall if anything ever happened to the '86 ban.

Yep. A good or bad change.

Gunstar1

· #11 · Jan 26, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

In addition to what gunsmoker posted, I believe the latest bill regarding magazine capacity did not grandfather in magazines you already own.

It wont go anywhere but there is already a bill that if it became law would make any further magazine purchases a waist of money.

McCarthy is the author... the same one that said a barrel shroud is a shoulder thing that goes up.

EmergencyNrse

· #12 · Jan 26, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

Buy, buy, buy, and buy some more as your budget allows.
Can never have too much or too many...

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rotterdam2

Discussion Starter · #13 · Jan 31, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

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GAGunOwner

· #14 · Jan 31, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

m00nsuit said:
If disposable funds really permit, I am interested in an MP5, but am still trying to understand the legalities there.

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rotterdam2

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jan 31, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

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Hunley

· #16 · Jan 31, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

m00nsuit said:
My understanding is that to get a true MP5 there's a lot of work involved, I'm not fully versed in it.

For example people producing jigs and unfinished steel for the receiver,etc.

It might not be a sensible endeavor.

The full-auto versions are controlled by the National Firearms Act. It's expensive, but requires less paperwork than buying and financing a car. You have to get fingerprinted, and a few signatures, and pay for a $200 tax stamp. It takes time, but it isn't anything that would be horrible.

The short barreled version in semi-auto is classified as an SBR, requiring much of the same paperwork.

The standard semi-auto version, having a 16" barrel, is completely legal to own without any paperwork. It uses the same magazines. There are many companies that produce H&K knock offs with varying degrees of accuracy and reliability. They still run about $1100.

GAGunOwner

· #17 · Jan 31, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

Hunley said:
The standard semi-auto version, having a 16" barrel, is completely legal to own without any paperwork. It uses the same magazines. There are many companies that produce H&K knock offs with varying degrees of accuracy and reliability. They still run about $1100.

I think the ones that take "high-capacity" magazines are more than $1100. They are more around $2000. If you know where I can get one for $1100 let me know. :wink:

GAGunOwner

· #18 · Jan 31, 2011

Re: Rifle - Question in light of unknown future laws

Hunley said:
The full-auto versions are controlled by the National Firearms Act. It's expensive, but requires less paperwork than buying and financing a car. You have to get fingerprinted, and a few signatures, and pay for a $200 tax stamp. It takes time, but it isn't anything that would be horrible.

Expensive, like $13K-$20K for a 25+ year-old used gun.

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