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Sure, but they weren't colonizing France or Spain either.bdee said:I am sure if you look at the Puritans and other religious communities in colonial America, they did not come to assimilate into local American culture.
This would be as opposed to colonizing with the expectation to eat as much local cuisine as they can, find established churches, temples, etc already in place and actively available, etc etc etc.bdee said:No, they were colonizing America, and made little attempt to learn the local language, or adopt American customs. They brought with them their own cuisine instead of eating the same foods as other Americans. They rarely ever made any accommodations for local religion, and instead brought with them their own religious beliefs, at times even trying to get Americans to adopt their religion.
:-kbdee said:Maybe we cannot expect new immigrants to behave any different than any other immigrant group landing on these shores.
So what you're saying is the Puritans were disappointed by the absence of a welfare office?bdee said:Immigrants are ineligible for any welfare until after they get permanent residency, the whole idea of immigrants coming to get welfare is a unicorn, a fantasy that doesn't exist in the real world.
So you agree they did not see themselves as colonizing Paris? Unlike immigrants today, they did not see themselves as going to somewhere else within established civilization, but rather they saw themselves as going out "into the wild" where there was no civilization as they knew it.bdee said:America was already fully civilized and developed when Europeans showed up. To think otherwise is indicative of those that had little respect for the people that lived here. There were established religions that existed throughout the Americas. The Europeans simply didn't respect them.
Well that's patently absurd. For starters, the holiday didn't even exist back then.bdee said:And yes, these Europeans did expect handouts when they arrived, think Thanksgiving.
And YOU already know that it is based on something which happened AFTER the Puritans landed and started building cabins. It had not happened ever BEFORE they had landed, so there could be no EXPECTATION that it WOULD happen.bdee said:The holiday is based on the idea that Americans fed immigrants when they found themselves in trouble,were unable to fend for themselves in their new homes, and needed help.
But you knew that already.
Well, it's not my idea. It's your idea.bdee said:So, once again, you are going back to the idea that America was free to be "civilized" taking no account of the people and the civilization that already existed in the Americas.
More importantly, I think we're in agreement that it was the European COLONISTS' idea.bdee said:America was already fully civilized and developed when Europeans showed up. To think otherwise is indicative of those that had little respect for the people that lived here. There were established religions that existed throughout the Americas. The Europeans simply didn't respect them.
No, that's colonization, not immigration. They aren't the same thing. They are not synonyms.bdee said:It was not some raw land waiting to be exploited, theseimmigrantscolonists had to destroy and displace the culture that already existed.
No, it's based on the fact that current day immigrants aren't expecting to permanently camp out in the wild uncharted woods building new homes and new civilization from trees and dirt. Instead, current day immigrants expect civilization to already exist and be available for use when they arrive.bdee said:So all this based on the fiction that immigrants are coming here in order to get welfare?