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bdee said:
No, they were colonizing America, and made little attempt to learn the local language, or adopt American customs. They brought with them their own cuisine instead of eating the same foods as other Americans. They rarely ever made any accommodations for local religion, and instead brought with them their own religious beliefs, at times even trying to get Americans to adopt their religion.
This would be as opposed to colonizing with the expectation to eat as much local cuisine as they can, find established churches, temples, etc already in place and actively available, etc etc etc.

bdee said:
Maybe we cannot expect new immigrants to behave any different than any other immigrant group landing on these shores.
:-k

It might help if we didn't pretend shipping off to a fundamentally raw land somewhere far off on the outskirts of known civilization is the same as clearing Immigration & Customs then hopping a bus to stay with a cousin, or that it's the same as expecting someone to pay you once you get there and do some work for them.
 
bdee said:
Immigrants are ineligible for any welfare until after they get permanent residency, the whole idea of immigrants coming to get welfare is a unicorn, a fantasy that doesn't exist in the real world.
So what you're saying is the Puritans were disappointed by the absence of a welfare office?
 
bdee said:
America was already fully civilized and developed when Europeans showed up. To think otherwise is indicative of those that had little respect for the people that lived here. There were established religions that existed throughout the Americas. The Europeans simply didn't respect them.
So you agree they did not see themselves as colonizing Paris? Unlike immigrants today, they did not see themselves as going to somewhere else within established civilization, but rather they saw themselves as going out "into the wild" where there was no civilization as they knew it.

"Immigration" and "colonization" are not the same thing. Remember, they were looking to get away from the blessings of European civilization. They weren't looking to participate in another aspect of it.

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bdee said:
The holiday is based on the idea that Americans fed immigrants when they found themselves in trouble,were unable to fend for themselves in their new homes, and needed help.

But you knew that already.
And YOU already know that it is based on something which happened AFTER the Puritans landed and started building cabins. It had not happened ever BEFORE they had landed, so there could be no EXPECTATION that it WOULD happen.

Further, the holiday which you claim this fictitious expectation is based on didn't exist until centuries AFTER they arrived. They couldn't base an expectation on a holiday which didn't exist.

But again, as you said... you already knew that.

:roll: :lol:
 
bdee said:
So, once again, you are going back to the idea that America was free to be "civilized" taking no account of the people and the civilization that already existed in the Americas.
Well, it's not my idea. It's your idea.

bdee said:
America was already fully civilized and developed when Europeans showed up. To think otherwise is indicative of those that had little respect for the people that lived here. There were established religions that existed throughout the Americas. The Europeans simply didn't respect them.
More importantly, I think we're in agreement that it was the European COLONISTS' idea.

bdee said:
It was not some raw land waiting to be exploited, these immigrants colonists had to destroy and displace the culture that already existed.
No, that's colonization, not immigration. They aren't the same thing. They are not synonyms.
 
bdee said:
So all this based on the fiction that immigrants are coming here in order to get welfare?
No, it's based on the fact that current day immigrants aren't expecting to permanently camp out in the wild uncharted woods building new homes and new civilization from trees and dirt. Instead, current day immigrants expect civilization to already exist and be available for use when they arrive.

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