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http://johnrlott.tripod.com/2007/03/gui ... nt-of.html

Here is a video tape of Rudy Guiliani while he was mayor saying that gun makers "are producing 6 to 7 times more guns than the legal market would demand and therefore they would have to know that they are supplying an illegal market." He initially says that this number is 3 to 4 times more guns than the legal market would demand, but changes it to the higher number. In any case, it is not a big difference. 3 to 4 times means 75 to 80 percent of guns shouldn't be sold. 6 to 7 times means that 85.7 to 87.5 percent of guns shouldn't be sold.
 

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I tend to agree. 86% of the guns shouldn't sold.

1. The gov't should give you a free .22 rifle when you turn 12.
2. The gov't should give you a free .45 1911 and AR15 when you turn 21.

Oh and let's not forget about the free ammo so we can train. :D

Now wouldn't that make us a more polite society?
 

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I have always thought that the majority of "illegal" guns were obtained through theft? If that's the case they would first go through a legal owner.

If the illegal market was that easy to quantify, where is his source? I'm sure that if he made such a broad statement he would have more to back it up than mere innuendo and opinion.
 

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I have always thought that the majority of "illegal" guns were obtained through theft? If that's the case they would first go through a legal owner.

If the illegal market was that easy to quantify, where is his source? I'm sure that if he made such a broad statement he would have more to back it up than mere innuendo and opinion.
why would he let facts get in the way ,it's not like anyone in the press is going to call him on it :roll:
 

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Awareness

I'm sure that manufacturers of certain guns, particularly inexpensive handguns, know that a certain small percentage of their products are purchased illegally, by straw buyers or by "prohibited persons" who just don't happen to get caught at the store. They also know that many of the guns sold legally to qualified purchasers are stolen from them, thus putting the gun into the black market for criminals to bid on.

The issue is, SO WHAT ? What is the manufacturer supposed to do about this? Require potential gun buyers to show ID? Make people fill out an application to buy a gun? HELLO !?!?!?! Federal Law Already !!!!

If 10% of the guns sold "shouldn't be sold," how do those gun-grabbing media whores from New York propose to identify the bad sales without infringing on people's rights with regard to the other 90% ?

Car manufacturers know that a certain percentage of people who buy sports cars fully intend to speed. Many of these people have bad driving histories and suspended licenses already. Is anyone asking car dealerships to NOT sell cars to people who have the money to buy one and what appears to be a valid license? Should Ford come up with a private driving license, which you'd have to take a written test, a road test, and an MVR driving history check, to get? In order to buy a Ford Mustang, you have to get a Ford license? Is that where we're headed?

How about drinking and driving? Maybe bar and liquor store owners shouldn't be able to get away with just obeying the thousands of pages of laws regulating their businesses. Let's also require them to come up with a system of predicting who is going to try to drive themselves home while intoxicated, and sue them for millions of dollars if the ever get it wrong and serve booze to a guy who ends up getting behind the wheel later.

Hey, a certain percentage of GASOLINE sold in this country is sold to arsonists. Maybe we should hold Exxon and Mobil and BP liable anytime somebody's trailer burns down during a messy divorce situation.
 

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zxd9 said:
I tend to agree. 86% of the guns shouldn't sold.

1. The gov't should give you a free .22 rifle when you turn 12.
2. The gov't should give you a free .45 1911 and AR15 when you turn 21.

Oh and let's not forget about the free ammo so we can train. :D

Now wouldn't that make us a more polite society?
Woo-Hoo!! zxd9 for President! :lol:
 

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The guy is an idiot!

Why do we even care what he says? It's not like he's gonna get elected.
 

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Did Rudy seem like an opportunist during 9-11? It seems like he was standing in front of a camera every chance he got. Maybe it was just me...

I read where some of the NY firefighters unions were pissed at him because he was more concerned about recovering money from vaults in the WTC then recovering the bodies of the lost.
 
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