I hear a lot of good things about the 5.11 pants and vest, but I just don't understand it. I know I'm coming at this from a gun guy's POV, but they absolutely scream gun/cop wannabe to me. In the pants, the pockets are cut very differently (from normal casual pants), so they stick out. The velcro and tactical pockets don't really seem to help the image, either. The vest is my favorite. There were two ICE agents/officers in the class I took this past Saturday. Upon seeing them, and before they identified themselves as such, I picked them both out. The "better" of the two was wearing a giant black fannypack in front of him and kept adjusting it and unconsciously kept a hand nearby (I later found out he had a 229 ). #2, who I thought of as Mr. Tactical, was wearing a 5.11 vest (Keep in mind that this is a CPR class! What the hell?). Later, when he turned quickly, I saw the ICE badge on his belt, about 3" from the centerline of his body. Before I got close enough to ID the badge, I thought it was a concealed carry badge And it's not like the vest was being used to store anything. It was just there for "concealment." For any of you guys that work with people like this: do they mean to conceal? Because, if they are, they're doing a terrible job. What's the point of 5.11 gear for people that aren't actually carrying a lot of stuff? It gets you picked out immediately. And I'm sure the BGs can pick out a pair from a mile away.