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HB 2 Georgia Constitutional Carry Act of 2021- enact
https://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/58787

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1. Singleton, Philip 71st

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A BILL to be entitled an Act to amend Article 1 of Chapter 3 of Title 12 of the O.C.G.A., relating to general provisions regarding parks, historic areas, memorials, and recreation, so as to revise provisions of law regarding the use or possession of any handgun in a park, historic site, or recreational area; to amend Part 3 of Article 4 of Chapter 11 of Title 16 of the O.C.G.A., relating to carrying and possession of firearms; to amend Part 2 of Article 4 of Chapter 12 of Title 16 of the O.C.G.A., relating to transportation passenger safety; to amend Title 27 of the O.C.G.A., relating to game and fish, so as to revise certain laws regarding the carrying of firearms; to amend Part 2 of Article 10 of Chapter 6 of Title 40 of the O.C.G.A., relating to parking for persons with disabilities; to provide for related matters; to provide for an effective date; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.

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11/16/2020 House Prefiled
 

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"Since objects or instrumentalities in and of themselves are not dangerous or evil, in a
free and just society, the civil government should not ban or restrict their possession or use."
 

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I haven't reviewed it carefully, but it fails to live up to the lofty aspirations quoted above. This appears to be nothing more than making the license optional. It does not gain a single off limits location.
 
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I haven't reviewed it carefully, but it fails to live up to the lofty aspirations quoted above. This appears to be nothing more than making the license optional. It does not gain a single off limits location.
Correct. It takes the existing carry regime and makes the GWL optional. One substantive change that it makes is it removes the crime of hijacking for all firearms and replaces it with weapons or long guns. That means it no longer is a (separate) crime to carry an AR with a 17" barrel on MARTA (that device not being a "weapon or long gun." That particular change probably makes little difference, but it also removes the prohibition against carrying a knife on public transportation. Note that under current law, a GWL holder may carry a gun on MARTA or past a bus stop or in the airport parking lot, but not a knife. So that part helps.
 

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Sounds like another Pat Parsons deal.
 

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If they are going to make the license optional for current carry locations then they should make the license add more places to carry. We should get 16-11-130 inclusion.

Mississippi has an enhanced license that allows for K-12 carry. Why can't we have something similar?
 

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If they are going to make the license optional for current carry locations then they should make the license add more places to carry. We should get 16-11-130 inclusion.

Mississippi has an enhanced license that allows for K-12 carry. Why can't we have something similar?
Because the Mississippi version is discriminatory!

He who has the money and time for training has a more valuable life than he who hasn't. They also discriminate against visitors to the state. No way to get an Enhanced license if you're not a resident of Mississippi....no matter how much training you already have.
 

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Why discriminatory? It would be a choice we don't have now. The training would not be onerous or expensive. What about poor people now who have to pay for a regular license? They'd get to save money.

And we don't have to follow the part about not letting out of staters being left out.
 
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Although I contributed to the off track nature of this thread, let's please try to keep it on track, that is, about the bill, in this case HB-2.

Sorry.
 

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Thanks MP, I was in before the lock! Lol.

Okay, back on track. Should this bill pass, and I'm for it, would there be anymore progress on more places to carry?

I don't think this bill has a chance though. Isn't this the same bill sponsored by another House member who had some issues with likability among his peers?

But perhaps even so, and it has no chance, could it at least be the spark for another good omnibus bill?
 

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Okay, back on track. Should this bill pass, and I'm for it, would there be anymore progress on more places to carry?
The thinking among legislators for many years now has been that the license is needed as a selling point for further off limits locations being opened to carry. Note the several year long fight over campus carry.

It is getting tougher and tougher to decriminalize carry locations, which is to be expected as there are less of them, but legislators believe that job would become impossible without a license requirement to demonstrate, "Hey, these guys have been checked out."

I don't think that matters to the anti-liberty types who retort, "This just means they are not a criminal, yet." It may very well be a selling point to those on the fence and with respect to selling it to the public, most of whom are not licensed and do not carry.

And don't forget that GCO has been unable to remove the license requirement even for carrying openly, which is probably a necessary step before removing it for carrying secretly, too.
 

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This bill 'should' be given serious consideration as a vehicle to add other things to, like entirely removing church carry prohibition from 16-11-127, cleaning up college carry, getting license holders added to the 130 exempted list. But it won't be, Singleton is a David Clark/ Matt Gurtler ally, and this bill will not even get a hearing.
 

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Gov. Kemp better figure out something else, or he's a one-termer if he can't get an honest and substantive pro-carry bill to sign in 2021 or 2022. Not much time left to put actions to his words.
 
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If Collins primaries Kemp, do not look for any pro gun bills being handed to Kemp to improve his chances.
 
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Although I contributed to the off track nature of this thread, let's please try to keep it on track, that is, about the bill, in this case HB-2.

Sorry.
 

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HB-2 has no chance as is. It would need a lot of co-sponsors to get traction. It could be a vehicle for some good stuff.
 

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HB-2 has no chance as is. It would need a lot of co-sponsors to get traction. It could be a vehicle for some good stuff.
It could be a vehicle, but it's not likely to be. As you point out, it has no chance as is. What makes a bill a good vehicle for other provisions is its likelihood of passage and favorable treatment to date. So, for example, a bill that survives crossover day is a good place to park additional stuff. But this bill is not likely to pass and will not receive favorable treatment or survive crossover. It would be much easier just to introduce a new bill than to pile additional provisions onto this one.
 
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