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BATFE apparently has a series of changes to the 4473 that are being rolled out in 2017.

The entire list can be found here: http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016...rms-transaction-record-significantly-revised/

The one that struck me as the most likely to be a problem is:
"Warning Statement: Clarifies that the form is to be completed at the licensed premises unless the transaction qualifies under 18 U.S.C. 922(c)."

The U.S.C. noted states:
(c) In any case not otherwise prohibited by this chapter, a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer may sell a firearm to a person who does not appear in person at the licensee's business premises (other than another licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer) only if-
(1)the transferee submits to the transferor a sworn statement in the following form:"Subject to penalties provided by law, I swear that, in the case of any firearm other than a shotgun or a rifle, I am twenty-one years or more of age, or that, in the case of a shotgun or a rifle, I am eighteen years or more of age; that I am not prohibited by the provisions of chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm in interstate or foreign commerce; and that my receipt of this firearm will not be in violation of any statute of the State and published ordinance applicable to the locality in which I reside. Further, the true title, name, and address of the principal law enforcement officer of the locality to which the firearm will be delivered are ____________
_______________________
Signature _________ Date ____."
and containing blank spaces for the attachment of a true copy of any permit or other information required pursuant to such statute or published ordinance;
(2)the transferor has, prior to the shipment or delivery of the firearm, forwarded by registered or certified mail (return receipt requested) a copy of the sworn statement, together with a description of the firearm, in a form prescribed by the Attorney General, to the chief law enforcement officer of the transferee's place of residence, and has received a return receipt evidencing delivery of the statement or has had the statement returned due to the refusal of the named addressee to accept such letter in accordance with United States Post Office Department regulations; and
(3)the transferor has delayed shipment or delivery for a period of at least seven days following receipt of the notification of the acceptance or refusal of delivery of the statement.
A copy of the sworn statement and a copy of the notification to the local law enforcement officer, together with evidence of receipt or rejection of that notification shall be retained by the licensee as a part of the records required to be kept under section 923(g).
 

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BATFE apparently has a series of changes to the 4473 that are being rolled out in 2017.

The entire list can be found here: http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2016...rms-transaction-record-significantly-revised/

The one that struck me as the most likely to be a problem is:
"Warning Statement: Clarifies that the form is to be completed at the licensed premises unless the transaction qualifies under 18 U.S.C. 922(c)."

The U.S.C. noted states:
(c) In any case not otherwise prohibited by this chapter, a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer may sell a firearm to a person who does not appear in person at the licensee’s business premises (other than another licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer) only ifâ€"
(1)the transferee submits to the transferor a sworn statement in the following form:“Subject to penalties provided by law, I swear that, in the case of any firearm other than a shotgun or a rifle, I am twenty-one years or more of age, or that, in the case of a shotgun or a rifle, I am eighteen years or more of age; that I am not prohibited by the provisions of chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, from receiving a firearm in interstate or foreign commerce; and that my receipt of this firearm will not be in violation of any statute of the State and published ordinance applicable to the locality in which I reside. Further, the true title, name, and address of the principal law enforcement officer of the locality to which the firearm will be delivered are ____________
_______________________
Signature _________ Date ____.â€
and containing blank spaces for the attachment of a true copy of any permit or other information required pursuant to such statute or published ordinance;
(2)the transferor has, prior to the shipment or delivery of the firearm, forwarded by registered or certified mail (return receipt requested) a copy of the sworn statement, together with a description of the firearm, in a form prescribed by the Attorney General, to the chief law enforcement officer of the transferee’s place of residence, and has received a return receipt evidencing delivery of the statement or has had the statement returned due to the refusal of the named addressee to accept such letter in accordance with United States Post Office Department regulations; and
(3)the transferor has delayed shipment or delivery for a period of at least seven days following receipt of the notification of the acceptance or refusal of delivery of the statement.
A copy of the sworn statement and a copy of the notification to the local law enforcement officer, together with evidence of receipt or rejection of that notification shall be retained by the licensee as a part of the records required to be kept under section 923(g).
Sounds like a local hidden local registration is tucked in there but is this really saying you do not actually have to go to the dealer to make the purchase?
 

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As a former FFL, that's a fairly big change, can't tell you how many times that didn't happen
 

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Sounds like a local hidden local registration is tucked in there but is this really saying you do not actually have to go to the dealer to make the purchase?
I'm assuming that it applies to home FFLs who bring a weapon to you. The transfer takes place at you home, not theirs.
 

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I'm assuming that it applies to home FFLs who bring a weapon to you. The transfer takes place at you home, not theirs.
Or some NFA transfers. I know Quiet Riot offered a service that would mail your device to you after the stamp came in.
 

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I've had Taurus ship REPLACEMENT firearms directly to me. I don't remember what paperwork came in the package with the gun, but whatever it was, all I had to do was sign it and give it back to the deliveryperson, and the package delivery guy handed me my new pistol.

I've also ordered M1 Garand rifle directly from the DCM (before it became the CMP) and it was shipped right to my doorstep.
 

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American
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I've had Taurus ship REPLACEMENT firearms directly to me. I don't remember what paperwork came in the package with the gun, but whatever it was, all I had to do was sign it and give it back to the deliveryperson, and the package delivery guy handed me my new pistol.

I've also ordered M1 Garand rifle directly from the DCM (before it became the CMP) and it was shipped right to my doorstep.
CMP/DCM is a Congressionally Chartered organization and is pretty much exempt from most of BATFE's BS.
 
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