2012 Voting Poll - Obama
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Nobama 2012. I don't care who runs again him, I find it highly doubtful that Obama would end up the lesser of two evils.
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Right now, I may consider voting for Obama. My end goal is to have the senate controlled by the party opposite the president. So if I think the senate is about to be taken over by the the republicans, I might consider voting for him. If it looks like the Dems will hold the senate, I might consider voting for a guy like Romney, but not bullet-point Palin. I doubt Paul will break ranks with the Republicans and run as an independent. He'd lose his house seat.
I really don't see any damn difference between the Dems and Republicans, so if I can vote for gridlock I will.
I really don't see any damn difference between the Dems and Republicans, so if I can vote for gridlock I will.
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I can agree with this, as some of the best years we've ever had is when we had a Dem president, and Republican Congress, but the only problem with that is, that you know the Dems or Reps will take over for at least 2 years during a presidency, normally. Its not automatic, but pretty normal.bdee said:
So basically, they are going to push their ideology on the American people, sort of like forcing everyone to be under Obamacare if you don't have insurance.
Also, we've got really bad legislation like the Patriot Act being passed as well.
I would say just from reading your posts, your ideals and principles seem to line up more, left of the Libertarian party, then Democratic so why not vote for them?
I'm not trying to tell you who to vote for at all, just an observation. By all means, I would never try to tell anybody who to vote for. I find that very despicable and actually insults someone's intelligence. Like they can't make an educated decision or something.
I would just like people to start voting their principles, instead of just voting for a party, because they will probably get the most votes, likes its a high school popularity contest or something.
That was really my point. You may disagree with me, and that's good, too. You probably know yourself a whole lot better than I could ever know you just from your posts on here.
I also didn't mean any of this to offend you and if it does, I apologize ahead of time.
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Certainly not Obama. Probably not GOP either.
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I completely agree with this statement! :righton:
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You know, I've heard this argument, and I really cannot find fault with it. Socialism, and Corporatism, Fascism, and just pure Authoritarianism is taking over our country from both sides of the aisle.JiG said:
I really cannot find fault with just wanting to take this big ole' SOB down, but my fear is what will come out of the other side of it?
Will men and women of honor, conviction, filled with our Country's founding father's ideas restore this country to its once great status, or will a tyrannical dictator come in? Will someone try and set up a Christian Theocracy or just a theocracy of some type?
Right now, I'd rather see a Restoration through Libertarian ideals then I would a complete breakdown and collapse.
Right now, if we continue on this path, we will see a collapse anyway, so if a restoration is impossible, I agree with you, let's take this big ole' SOB down, but then I'm worried good men and women will not win the fight, and someone else will grab power, and then we're in even a worst spot then we are now.
One thing is for sure, if we're to restore this nation to the once great state that it was, good men of honor, conviction, and filled with our founder's ideals are going to have to react with GREAT violence, and a fortitude of our founders to restore this country. They are going to have to win at all cost, and the ends will have to justify the means.
Another problem is that we are not even taught a correct history of our country, so how is that we could even restore it to what it once was?
Case and point, the 14th amendment, and the fact that we need to all be restored to state citizens, and not be National ones anymore.
Would those people that fight for it even know to do that or can they be convinced to do that? I'm not so sure.
That's why right now, I'd rather see a restoration rather than just taking this SOB down, but I definitely see your point of view, and its a very valid argument as it may could work.
Look at our military, do they know the true history of this nation? Do they know the true thoughts and ideas of our founders? I don't think so. Just from conversations with a lot of them, they have too been indoctrinated, as we all have.
This country is just in a really sad state of affairs, and I fear that if there is a collapse, I'm not sure the "good" people will win in the bid for power.
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ERJ,
When I think of restoration and going back to the greatness that once was, I struggle in understanding how that could remotely be possible given the changes in literally EVERYTHING within people, this country and the world today.
If the country were founded TODAY by men with the same conviction that they had a few hundred years ago, it would certainly be founded MUCH differently than it was back then.
Some things which were held dear when the country was founded have simply become outdated and irrelevant through common things we take for granted, such as transportation and communication. The question then becomes what do you keep, what do you toss, what do you change, and most importantly... Who decides??
Another thought that I have (edited vice adding another reply) is that everyone seems to scream out "WE WANT CHANGE" until change starts happening...
When I think of restoration and going back to the greatness that once was, I struggle in understanding how that could remotely be possible given the changes in literally EVERYTHING within people, this country and the world today.
If the country were founded TODAY by men with the same conviction that they had a few hundred years ago, it would certainly be founded MUCH differently than it was back then.
Some things which were held dear when the country was founded have simply become outdated and irrelevant through common things we take for granted, such as transportation and communication. The question then becomes what do you keep, what do you toss, what do you change, and most importantly... Who decides??
Another thought that I have (edited vice adding another reply) is that everyone seems to scream out "WE WANT CHANGE" until change starts happening...
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Who would decide? The truth of the matter is in a restoration, without a collapse, you would have to vote in freedom loving politicians, more Libertarian if you will, that will reduce the size of government, be for freedom in economics and socially. Problem the most important thing is when those politicians begin to replace our current Supreme Court justices with ones that actually believe in giving back freedoms instead of acting as tyrant enablers and restricting our freedoms almost everytime they make a decision.JeF4y said:
I really do not understand what you mean about when you say there have been huge changes in transportation and communication. We have ways to communicate and ways to be transported today that we didn't have back then, but communication and transportation still existed back then.
I think the government needs to gets its nose out of communication and transportation, the exact same way it was back then. The government does not need it nose in everything like it is today. The government has gotten way too large, its got its nose in things it shouldn't have it in, and our personal freedoms are being restricted because of it.
Please list the things that you believe the country held dear back then, and they are now outdated and irrelevant, because I'm not really sure that I follow you.
The only things that I see that need to remain, that have been added to our laws and Constitution is the anti-slavery, and anti-discrimination stuff. Everything else was just about perfect the way they made it in 1789.
That means either take away the income tax or greatly reduce it, after we pay for our debts, after we drastically reduce the size of the federal government, that means taking away the 14th amendment, returning us to lawful, provably government again, making us State citizens again. And maybe dropping a few other amendments as well, but right now, the 14th would be a good start.
I really don't see how our Constitution and basis that started our country is somehow drastically different than today.
You'll have to explain that to me.
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