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Paladin said:
I particularly like the cake analogy. Nice, simple way to explain it.
i like the one about being beat to death by a midget.... i rofl'd
 

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Paladin said:
308sniper said:
Paladin said:
I particularly like the cake analogy. Nice, simple way to explain it.
i like the one about being beat to death by a midget.... i rofl'd
Me Too! A pyromaniac midget with an ivory elephant goad! Priceless!
and ANYONE who knows me would say that sounds EXACTLY like something i would say.
 

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Good read.

But Lawdog said that 30,000 gun deaths per year is miniscule compared to fatalities in motor vehicle crashes.

Maybe back in the 1970s that was true, but fatal car wrecks are actually less common than they used to be. These days 30,000 is about right. So that's equal to gun deaths, if you accept the figure used in the gun-control advocate's question.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says that there were 30,700 fatal vehicle wrecks in 2009, the most recent year the data has been compiled.
www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
 

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CoffeeMate said:
Paladin said:
I particularly like the cake analogy. Nice, simple way to explain it.
Reminds me of this...

It certainly captures the character of the so-called "reasonable compromise" fallacy.
Good illustration. Leave it up to Penn and Teller to put it in a way that everyone can understand.
 

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gunsmoker said:
But Lawdog said that 30,000 gun deaths per year is miniscule compared to fatalities in motor vehicle crashes.
Like Lawdog says, statistics lie because they're always manipulated. 30,000 gun deaths per year is a meaningless number.

Of all the gun deaths in any given year, only about 1000-1500 of them are accidental gun deaths. If you're going to compare motor vehicle accident fatalities, one should be comparing them to firearm accident fatalities (which btw, are at an all time low despite gun ownership being at an all time high).

The vast majority of gun deaths come from 1) suicides (of which the statistics of those that would've killed themselves via other means is not available), 2) murders (the majority of which are committed with illegally obtained guns anyways), and 3) defensive gun use (which should not be part of a negative statistic on gun deaths at all).

Since the counterargument by anti's to a comparison to auto fatality statistics is that cars provide a benefit in allowing people to get to work, school, etc., and that accident fatalities are a necessary side effect of that benefit, it is only fair to point out to them that they've completely failed to account for the benefits of gun ownership. The lives that have been saved from instances of defensive gun use (which number in the millions each year, with no shots being fired in most cases), should be subtracted out from the "cost" in gun deaths.
 

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gunsmoker said:
Good read.

But Lawdog said that 30,000 gun deaths per year is miniscule compared to fatalities in motor vehicle crashes.

Maybe back in the 1970s that was true, but fatal car wrecks are actually less common than they used to be. These days 30,000 is about right. So that's equal to gun deaths, if you accept the figure used in the gun-control advocate's question.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says that there were 30,700 fatal vehicle wrecks in 2009, the most recent year the data has been compiled.
www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
How many of the fatal vehicle wrecks did the cars cause?
 

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seereus said:
gunsmoker said:
Good read.

But Lawdog said that 30,000 gun deaths per year is miniscule compared to fatalities in motor vehicle crashes.

Maybe back in the 1970s that was true, but fatal car wrecks are actually less common than they used to be. These days 30,000 is about right. So that's equal to gun deaths, if you accept the figure used in the gun-control advocate's question.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says that there were 30,700 fatal vehicle wrecks in 2009, the most recent year the data has been compiled.
www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
How many of the fatal vehicle wrecks did the cars cause?
And how many of them happened in locations off-limits to civilian cars?
 

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They

Skinned

Pinky.

Nothing more need be said.

Nemo
 
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