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Old 04-21-2012, 04:20 PM   #1
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Default 28 Jun "time for a walk in the park?" depositions added

The facts as they are known so far....
I was at Gary Pirkle Park in Sugar Hill, GA on the morning of 20 April 2012 and encountered Plaza Security's employee Paul Reid Hanna. Mr Hanna objected to my sartorial choice of dress and called Gwinnett County Police Department. Officers Adam Garth Bell, Rodney Dantzler, Corporal Joseph P. Kimsey, Sergeant Greg Chapel and at least two others responded.

The Call That Started it All
HANNA - Call to GCPD.mp3

My so-called "suspicious attire"
My recording of the incident at Gary Pirkle Park (The faint of heart may wish to avoid the first 20 minutes of heavy breathing.)
My transcript of the recording made at Gary Pirkle Park on 20 April 2019


The Responding Officer's Incident Reports for 20 April
Ofc. Adam Garth Bell
Ofc. Rodney Dantzler
Cpl. Joseph Kimsey
Security Guard Paul Reid Hanna

This led to an arrest for criminal trespass, with a trial date scheduled for 09 July.

On 27 April, Bell, Dantzler and Hanna were named in a Civil Suit.

29 June, the Gwinnett County Solicitor found insufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and made a request to Nolle Prosequi the case.
29 June - Nolle Prosequi


On 10 July, an amended complaint filed naming Hanna, Bell and Dantzler as defendants.
Civil Suit

The three named individuals answered the Civil Complaint.
Bell Answers - 20 July
Dantzler Answers - 23 July
Hanna Answers - 20 July




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On 29 August, the attorney for Mr. Hanna and the Gwinnett County attorney representing Officers Bell and Dantzler deposed me.
Proescher deposition, 29 August.pdf

Mr. John Monroe deposed Mr. Hanna on the same date.
Paul Reid Hanna deposition, 29 August.pdf

On 30 August, Officers Bell and Dantzler were deposed by Mr. John Monroe
Officer Adam Garth Bell deposition, 30 August.pdf

Officer Rodney Dantzler deposition, 30 August.pdf
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On 31 August, the attorneys representing Mr. Hanna made a monetary offer to have him dropped from the Civil Suit.

On 21 September, the offer (for an amount to be kept confidential) was accepted.

On 18 December, my Declaration of Facts was published outlining the facts of the matter as known to me.
(sorry, temporarily deleted the link, msg me if you need it.)

... and this is where we stand as of the 18th of December.
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:22 PM   #2
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The charges won't stick. Training issue.
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It really is amazing that society can trust "confidential informants" enough to SWAT a home, but not trust law abiding GWCL holders to walk across a campus.
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:33 PM   #3
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Call you tell us the kind of gun/holster and clothing worn by the person?
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:34 PM   #4
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Sec. 78-32. - Weapons prohibited.

(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person to discharge any weapon or similar device in a recreation facility.

(b)
It shall be unlawful for any person to take on a recreational facility any weapon, or to use, carry or employ any weapon or similar device in a recreational facility. This subsection (b) shall not apply to firearms as defined by O.C.G.A. § 16-11-171(3).
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(3) "Firearm" means any weapon that is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any firearm muffler or firearm silencer, or any destructive device as defined in 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(3).
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It really is amazing that society can trust "confidential informants" enough to SWAT a home, but not trust law abiding GWCL holders to walk across a campus.
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:40 PM   #5
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Apparently Gwinnett still hasn't gotten the message that carry in a county park is not prohibited by law.

Last year an officer told me while I OC'd at Yellow River Park, that it was not legal. I basically said in a nice way that I was staying at the park a while longer and I still carried. At least I was not cuffed and stuffed. This is even after he called his supervisor on the radio, and she also said it was illegal. I offered to show my ID and GWL but the officer declined. Nice guy, but just not up on the laws.
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:23 PM   #6
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I'm confused, can't you only be charged with criminal trespass if ask to leave and you refuse?
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Old 04-21-2012, 05:28 PM   #7
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I'm confused, can't you only be charged with criminal trespass if ask to leave and you refuse?
There may be some confusion on that issue...
If some city employee doesn't like Roll Tide! tee-shirts and asks you to leave, and you refuse, have you committed criminal trespass, or do you need to violate a park regulation first in order to be asked to leave?
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Old 04-21-2012, 07:31 PM   #8
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:39 PM   #9
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Details must be withheld for the moment

How about a incident case report number or something?
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Old 04-21-2012, 09:56 PM   #10
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The charges won't stick. Training issue.
If it is an criminal tresspass arrest for solely the act of open carrying, then l'd tend to agree. Did the op have a GWL?
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